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Post by Kassill on Jun 20, 2009 17:54:28 GMT -5
Hey I played in a Lucky 13 Apoc game today and a guy had a homemade Warlord Titan. I was thinking later that "Doesn't a model in a GamesWorkshop tournament have to be 75% GW material?" So I was going to send the manager of the store a email later voicing my opinion on the subject (and other "incidents") about today's game. now I was on the loosing team, but I mean we stood no chance against that thing! I'm not trying to be a sore looser, just wanting to get the rules straight. I mean after first turn, the guy with the Titan had already won! Thanks guys! Also If you can include a link to a GW site or ruling that actually says this so I can include it in the email. Also if the ruling doesn't work,...anyone know how to kill a Warlord>?
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jun 20, 2009 18:04:21 GMT -5
For Apoc I don't think that it matters if it's scratch built or GW.
But don't quote me on that.
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Post by Helmian (M.I.A) on Jun 20, 2009 18:19:17 GMT -5
You're aware of thats its almost IMPOSSIBLE to build a WARLORD titan with 75% GW material? I'd call it legal.
Also how to take down Warlord titans:
Shadowswords. . .lots of them
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 18:58:52 GMT -5
Also how to take down Warlord titans: Shadowswords. . .lots of them Yes .. lots and Lots of Shadowswords ... their not called titan killers for nothing
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Post by Kassill on Jun 20, 2009 19:10:12 GMT -5
Yeah I'm just a little mad that my friends lost $300 worth of super heavies to a $15 foam titan. But I still need some more voiced opinions on this topic.
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Post by Ignatius on Jun 20, 2009 19:17:23 GMT -5
illegal. you can buy titans. If you want to build your own and save money, thats fine, but you cant compete in a tournament with it. That would be exactly the same as building a completely cardboard army of 5000 points and battle in tournaments with it. So why does a titan get an exception? Simple answer: he doesnt.
The only thing this guy is saying is that he doesnt have the money to buy a titan. And thats fine. I dont either, but that doesnt mean i can biuld anything i want and use it in a tournie and say "i dont have the money to buy gw minis, so i made my own....hope thats ok"
Its not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 19:23:31 GMT -5
I completely agree with Ignatius except for one thing ... GW or Forgeworld doesn't Sell a 40k Warlord Titan .. They have Warhounds and a Reaver Titan and Yes, they have APOCALYPSE rules to use a Warlord class Titan, but No actual 40K scale model exists, except in epic
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Post by Macfeegle on Jun 20, 2009 19:37:08 GMT -5
You can't buy a Warlord Titan (as far as I am aware), so a scratchbuilt one would be fine in my opinion, IF there are published points for it...(Which I am sure someone will say there are) Edit: Thanks Curt! ;D
As for a Warhound etc, I guess that would depend on how well it was represented. It would have to be pretty good in my opinion to pass muster, but please don't forget, Armourcast also used to make 40K titans under licence so it doesn't have to be strictly GW.
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Post by Ignatius on Jun 20, 2009 23:50:14 GMT -5
ahh...i apologize for my last post. I read it wrong. I didnt see WARLORD, i saw WARHOUND.
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Post by aeonian on Jun 21, 2009 0:10:36 GMT -5
Not to mention an Emperor Battle Titan. You can't get one of those anywhere as far as I've been able to see
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Post by Ignatius on Jun 21, 2009 1:16:42 GMT -5
Though relating back to the op, techniqually, he cant use it. As i said above, it still isnt 75% gw, so its illegal. What does this mean? You obviously cant use the larger types of titans in tournies. Simple as that.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 21, 2009 1:17:46 GMT -5
did it look like this?
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Post by 3ff3ct on Jun 21, 2009 1:27:27 GMT -5
Im sure that the 75% thing was for tournaments.... not friendly games. Therefore, just refuse to play him in future! Or take the equivalent points cost in Shadowswords etc Ymmot (M.I.A): Where'd you find that pic? I'd like to see more! I wouldn't mind losing to that!
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Post by Ignatius on Jun 21, 2009 1:31:31 GMT -5
Im sure that the 75% thing was for tournaments. I thought thats what we were talking about. And 3ff3ct, you would be suprised at the number of people who would not allow non-gw units to be fielded against them
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 21, 2009 1:37:01 GMT -5
Ymmot (M.I.A): Where'd you find that pic? I'd like to see more! I wouldn't mind losing to that! I can't take credit... Sister Galatea tipped me of I think you can find more on BoLS somewhere.
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Post by Ignatius on Jun 21, 2009 1:40:59 GMT -5
BoLS has actually a few pics of emperor battle titans, the ones with fortresses on their backs?
Obviously they arent acual size, they would be like 6 feet tall if it was made to scale, but still, its impressive
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Post by mardaddy on Jun 21, 2009 1:52:40 GMT -5
"...my friends lost $300 worth of super heavies to a $15 foam titan..."
Spending the most money does not equal win.
Though I definitely understand the frustration!
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Jun 21, 2009 4:24:03 GMT -5
that picture is cool. I want one or i want to make one.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jun 21, 2009 5:38:14 GMT -5
I'll be frank, SOWAD - if you do anything, anything at all to impede someone playing with any kind of actual model, then in my eyes you are a bastard, a scrub, a subhuman cad who does not deserve the title 'wargamer'.
Someone has put a lot of time and effort into building a four foot model of a Warlord Titan, and you are complaining about loosing? Good Gordon Highlanders man, I've lost two games to the same Eldar player simply because he grav-tanks his men onto my objectives and I can never kill said grav-tanks! Do I complain? F u c k no!
GW encourages scratch-built models in apocalypse, ergo, scratchbuilds are entirely permissible in an apocalypse game. You, sir, have no right of complaint save if he wishes to proxy a model, or it is badly constructed.
Plus - if you are so unimaginative that you cannot simply destroy the damn thing with massed fire, then I have little sympathy for you.
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Post by Woz on Jun 21, 2009 5:43:36 GMT -5
Yeah I'm just a little mad that my friends lost $300 worth of super heavies to a $15 foam titan. But I still need some more voiced opinions on this topic. That $15 foam titan probably took longer to build then $300 worth oh SH's Building stuff is part of the whole 40k "hobby". GW don't mind if people make things that they or FW don't produce themselves. If you're going to write a letter complaining because you lost then it won't look good for you. If you had any complaints you should have voiced them at the time. Remember it's only a game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 5:50:21 GMT -5
Well this then brings up the point of 'was it a Tournament or just a regular Multi-Player Apocalypse battle'? ... I some how doubt that this could have been a Tournament as most Tournaments are usually between 1500 to 2000 points per army .... according to the Apocalypse Book, a Warlord Titan itself is worth alot more than the 1500 to 2000 points usually allowed for tournament play. Apocalypse Games are MASSIVE scale so if that was the case, then YES, I could see a person being Allowed the Use of a Warlord Titan .. but of course, that would most likely be ALL that person controls
@ ymmot - i've seen that picture before, including the guy's Army .. That is a NICE Model he made as a Center piece and the person did an INCREDIBLE job on creating that scratch built Warlord Titan
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Post by Macfeegle on Jun 21, 2009 5:53:06 GMT -5
BoLS has actually a few pics of emperor battle titans, the ones with fortresses on their backs? Obviously they arent acual size, they would be like 6 feet tall if it was made to scale, but still, its impressive The one on BoLs was from Germany and was to scale...and about 6 foot tall... here's a picture... and here is the rundown on the BoLs website. www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/02/showcase-40k-scale-imperator-titan.html
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Post by Kassill on Jun 21, 2009 7:53:04 GMT -5
well I'm sorry I asked...I just simply wanted to know for TOURNAMENTS. I have NO problem with this thing in friendly games or even store based tourneys. And I said I wasn't complaining about loosing, in the previous posts. I probably won't send an email Woz just because as you said it would look bad on my part. Now, RT....What the heeeeeeeeeell did you get shoved up your arse? Everyone else here has had descent comments to show me my error in being upset. But you sir have down right been an arsehole! As to everyone else Thanks for answering my questions. I'm sorry if I came on the wrong way about this.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jun 21, 2009 7:57:59 GMT -5
So, you were asking a question as to whether a scratch-built Warlord Titan, a unit only usuable in Apocalypse, is usuable in tournaments. Well, since Apocalypse is the anti-tournament, that was a very stupid question indeed.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 21, 2009 8:34:25 GMT -5
Apocalypse tournament is a bit of an oxymoron the apocalypse book encourages scratch building...
so ultamately the decision is in the hands of the tournament's organizers.
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