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Post by Trickstick on Jan 18, 2011 11:24:39 GMT -5
Ok so I was in GW the other day and picked up some cold one knights randomly. It is kind of fun converting them for use with my IG.
Was just wondering what mounts people have used for theirs. Anyone got plans to use boars, wolves or maybe a carnosaur?
Oh and bikes don't count. Living or undead only please. Never understood how bikes would work anyway, they can't exactly use the bike rules.
Edit - ok so bikes aren't all bad they are just not for me. I prefer an "oat powered form of transportation". Or at least whatever cold ones eat. A cookie to whoever gets that obscure reference.
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Post by Lt. Erwin on Jan 18, 2011 11:39:22 GMT -5
I've been making some Beastman Auxillia on the side, and I'm planning to eventually make some Centigor Rough Riders for them, does that count?
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Post by Trickstick on Jan 18, 2011 11:42:33 GMT -5
*Quickly googles centigor*
That sounds like an awesome idea. Just had a weird thought of centigor riders, that may be a bit odd looking though. Plus there may be arguments.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Jan 18, 2011 12:07:35 GMT -5
Any people who argue against them should be executed for Heresy. As long as the "grunts" are beastmen, it would be a really well themed army I think (it was something I was considering - and hinted at - in my fluff). Although Beastmen are generally seen as a Chaos taint now, in the old days of 40k, beastmen were often in Imperial service... bring back those groovy times with conversions!  |
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Post by Trickstick on Jan 18, 2011 12:11:48 GMT -5
Heh, i actually meant if you had beastmen riding centigors they would probably argue all the time. Would be a "back saddle rider" type situation.
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Post by jenburdoo on Jan 18, 2011 19:03:53 GMT -5
I wanted at one point to build a "Lustrian Amazons" army, just because I love the Fantasy Amazon figures. It would have Lizardman Cold Ones for the girls to ride. Now that the Dark Eldar Wyches are in plastic, they would be easier to convert. This regiment would also have used the old female Commissar model, on the grounds that the ladies don't respect men and would only accept a woman as their watchdog. And she wears a bikini under her stormcoat to blend in with the regiment...
During the 3rd Armageddon online campaign, there was a very nice article about converting penal troopers. They used a Gorkamorka skavvy mount to make a Rough Rider.
Finally, during 4th Edition, the late lamented days of Doctrines, there was at one point a Monster Creation Rules article, which included rules for Beast Riders (Rough Riders with +1 strength), pet creatures (ICs could take up to four) and giant Monstrous Creature beasts that could be taken as Heavy Support choices (the sample model was a Carnosaur with an Attilan rider).
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Post by NobleSeven on Jan 18, 2011 23:10:08 GMT -5
Slap some gas masks on those Cold Ones and come stand alongside the brave men of Krieg! Seriously, we accept anything with a Gas Mask.
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Post by Pax Urbis Pax Imperi on Jan 19, 2011 0:33:15 GMT -5
Oh and bikes don't count. Living or undead only please. Never understood how bikes would work anyway, they can't exactly use the bike rules. Here, I disagree with you. A Rough Rider's horse or mount it simply that, a way for the unit to get around. They don't get extra attacks, or bonuses for a charge, because of the mount (except the RR Special Character). For me, a bike makes total sense. You can go further and faster on a bike than a horse. A Horse can be made silent, or less quiet, than a bike, I grant you. All of my rough riders will be on motorcycles, but that's a personal choice. I totally respect why you don't. If I had to choose, it would depend on the fluff of the army, and the terrain they are in. I would go with a horse, if I had to choose an animal. |
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Post by Walrus on Jan 19, 2011 0:36:08 GMT -5
Best rough rider mount? SEGWAY!!!
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Post by Trickstick on Jan 19, 2011 6:33:23 GMT -5
Here, I disagree with you. A Rough Rider's horse or mount it simply that, a way for the unit to get around. They don't get extra attacks, or bonuses for a charge, because of the mount (except the RR Special Character). For me, a bike makes total sense. You can go further and faster on a bike than a horse. A Horse can be made silent, or less quiet, than a bike, I grant you. All of my rough riders will be on motorcycles, but that's a personal choice. I totally respect why you don't. If I had to choose, it would depend on the fluff of the army, and the terrain they are in. I would go with a horse, if I had to choose an animal. Well i can see why people think that bikes are cool and make more sense in a sci-fi setting, I just got a bit annoyed when I was looking for conversion work and most of what I found was about bikes. The other thing that annoyed me was that people who are unfamiliar with the unit may start to think they use the bike rules. I like the opportunity to have a unit that is uniquely guard; no one else in the game can use cavalry like we can. Well, maybe seekers and bloodcrusher from daemons but they are daemons so they are strange. Now that I come to think of it seekers would make awesome renegade rough riders, For my models the cold ones work really well. Tvashtar is a volcanic world and I am looking forward to doing some volcanic lizard painting. I think anyone using bikes is good even if it isn't for me. Even more so if they havn't just stuck guardsmen on marine bikes. The reason I said no bikes was to get away from that side of things and see what weird and wonderful creatures people had made. |
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jan 19, 2011 9:09:32 GMT -5
Best rough rider mount? SEGWAY!!! Yes. Yes... I am planning on converting some someday. I have been scouring eBay for old style Catachan heavy bolter and autocannon teams in order to obtain the necessary bitz... |
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Post by Trickstick on Jan 19, 2011 9:21:07 GMT -5
If you mount them on segways then it would be illegal to ride them on the pavement! Well over here at least, not sure about our colonial cousins. They would probably look good though, and definitely be a nice personal touch and a talking point.
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 19, 2011 14:44:10 GMT -5
I always use horses. In the past I've used bretonnian horses, as they're easier to paint. For my latest riders, which are based around Catachan models I was toying with the idea of mounting them on those massive lions from the new high elf chariot kit : www.bitsandkits.co.uk/high-elf-chariot-war-lion-a-p-1451.html..but I couldn't be bothered to spend £70 on that, and I happened to have spare horses from ages ago. Also I agree with Trickstick vis-a-vis the biker situation. Guard used to have the biker option, some codexes should allow biker guardsmen (e.g. Makarova's Codex Cherno in the General IG board), but bikers are not cavalry. Thunderwolves are, though. Pushbikes on the other hand would make excellent cavalry.. Edit : another thought. It would be easier to use a lance on horseback, rather than on a fast moving motorbike. 40k bikers are usually minimally equipped, except those with powerfists. Lookwise powerfists on a biker also look a bit daft. |
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Post by Lt. Erwin on Jan 19, 2011 19:59:07 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what always annoyed me about people using bikers as Rough Riders- an average human on a dirtbike trying to lance someone (especially something big, which is the preferred target for that +2 Str) is just going to turn into an impromptu pole vaulting event. Marines and Orks I can see, since they and those huge bikes they use have to weigh about a ton together, but scraggly Guardsmen are just going to go flying.
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Post by Pax Urbis Pax Imperi on Jan 19, 2011 21:08:58 GMT -5
Call me daft then!  This game is about using your imagination to the fullest, which includes riding lions, dinosaurs that are extinct, and Segway Rough Riders, apparently. Besides, this is game. Real Life physics need not apply. |
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Post by Adam Selene on Jan 19, 2011 21:17:35 GMT -5
Needs no feed, little water and will not shy away when facing the horrors of the galaxy. It also make me think of the badassery  Very nice conversion, we may just make a guardsman of you yet conscript. However a bike that size should really be toting some big guns, and if your going to go down that path name one of them ZED. I like the opportunity to have a unit that is uniquely guard; no one else in the game can use cavalry like we can. Well, maybe seekers and bloodcrusher from daemons but they are daemons so they are strange. Now that I come to think of it seekers would make awesome renegade rough riders. And we are unique, we shouldn't really through that away, I'm glad I don't use rough riders at the moment. |
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Post by Trickstick on Jan 20, 2011 9:00:10 GMT -5
Ok, so as this is already a rough rider thread I thought that i would ask here. What is the best way to model a shaped charge onto a lance using bits of cadian plastics? Frag grenades are not an option because they are all used. The things that I can think of are:
HK missiles
HW missiles
Mortar rounds
Flamer canisters
some kind of knife with wires to represent power weapons
Any more ideas?
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Post by Dedrier on Jan 20, 2011 19:34:03 GMT -5
HW Missiles. Cut about half of the middle from them and you have a could explosive charge to use.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jan 20, 2011 21:45:36 GMT -5
For segways, use legos.
For the perfect unique mount for IG, use another guardsman.
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Post by Gabriel Lupus on Jan 21, 2011 5:24:12 GMT -5
For segways, use legos. For the perfect unique mount for IG, use another guardsman. Oh please someone do this! Just the image it conjours up is awesome, the model would be... there is no word fort the awesomeness of it! |
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Post by magg on Jan 21, 2011 5:50:30 GMT -5
For segways, use legos. For the perfect unique mount for IG, use another guardsman. Oh please someone do this! Just the image it conjours up is awesome, the model would be... there is no word fort the awesomeness of it! Wish granted ... err ... although not by me and not with lego parts ....  You can also take a look here. -Magg Edit: I do not know if you have the old vehicle sprue, but maybe you can use the old smoke launchers for the tip of your lances. |
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Post by cheminhaler on Jan 21, 2011 14:59:37 GMT -5
What is the best way to model a shaped charge onto a lance using bits of cadian plastics? Frag grenades are not an option because they are all used. The things that I can think of are: HK missiles HW missiles Mortar rounds Flamer canisters some kind of knife with wires to represent power weapons Any more ideas? Grenades are cheaper than you think, via bitz services ; www.letthedicedecide.co.uk/product/Imperial_Guard_Catachan_Command_Grenades_IGTC015(Bits and kits were only 5p each, but sold out.) Other ideas are Tau fire warrior EMP grenades, the jerry can from the old vehicle sprue and the mortar round that Pax Urbis Pax Imperi used on his. @ Pax Urbis Imperi - beautiful rider. The lance itself is really impressive modelling. Did you have to weight the base, and is it a steel wire? |
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Post by Pax Urbis Pax Imperi on Jan 21, 2011 15:52:20 GMT -5
Thank you!
Its a brass rod, actually. The "counter-weight" at the end is a glass bead, and painted. The mortar round is connected to a C-4 type exsplosive with floral wire used to connect to a trigger, which is the front part of a Las Gun stock. The "metal" pieces holding the red wire down are pieces of a coffee stir stick. Its glued to the bike handle for extra stability.
I'll post a complete run-down at some point. My plan to to have 13 riders (9 regular, 2 melta, 2 flamers) and one Mogul Kamir-type special character riding a quad bike.
Back to the topic on hand, I think that imaination is the key to determining "what is best". For me, its a motorcyle, for others its an animal of sometype. And speaking of, Lion Riders would be EPIC to see.
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Post by Trickstick on Jan 21, 2011 17:34:11 GMT -5
Well thanks for the advice. Pax, I think i saw your model from somewhere when i was googling the other day. Just realised that you used mortar rounds for the tip, that is what I went for in the end. Finished my 5 riders today, i'm really pleased with the results. Gave the unit a vox/musician as a coms trooper and the sergeants mount got a bionic eye. Will try to get some pictures some time.
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Post by emptyhat on Jan 22, 2011 10:39:47 GMT -5
I've never really considered rough riders since I didn't like the metal models they had way-back-when but maybe they would be a good conversion project.
Does anyone have any ideas for creating some riding frogs? Probab;y wouldn't want to use Slaan models, maybe get some of those rubber frog models you see in aquarium gift shops?
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