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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 21, 2011 10:19:30 GMT -5
A Cobra might be the same size as the Star Destroyer, but the Star Destroyer is faster and more maneuverable, hyperspace is FAR more reliable than the warp for travel (And you don't get have the risk of getting eaten by daemons too), and I'm pretty sure the Star Destroyer packs a lot more firepower (need to check again on it's weapons).
I know the GE makes use of ion cannons which disable the electronics in ships and basically leave them dead in the void of space, do you think these would work on the IoM ships?
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Post by Empirespy on Jun 21, 2011 11:32:08 GMT -5
Yes I know, but that's like me saying that all space marines have power armour ignore other types of armour.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 21, 2011 11:54:09 GMT -5
Imperium ships work on electricity, and there are ion cannon-type weapons in 40K, so I'd say they'd be effective. The problem being that 40K ships use (for once) reasonable space-naval ranges on their weaponry, where the effective ranges on (conventional) Star Wars space weapons is quite short - which is why fightercraft were such war-winners.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 21, 2011 12:13:58 GMT -5
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For once, I wish the GE still operated Y-Wings....
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jun 21, 2011 14:08:04 GMT -5
P.S. I will not get involved in fanboy debates. Not after the last one I was in saw three people get semi-banned from GitP. Haha, silly nerds. *Swings a lightsaber recklessly.* Wait, I'm sorry. This is serious business. *Decapitates a Wookie.* |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 21, 2011 15:10:57 GMT -5
... For once, I wish the GE still operated Y-Wings.... Why? The TIE Defender was a superior craft. Perhaps the best fighter in Star Wars, at least before Luke got married (which is where the series ends, if you ask me). It was the starfighter version of what Mat Ward wishes Ultramarines were. |
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 21, 2011 15:34:20 GMT -5
Because I was unaware that the TIE Defender had ion cannons (A shielded, hyperspace-capable TIE Fighter? *gasps*), it was the first starfighter that came to mind when I thought of "Ion cannon", and I'm somewhat a Y-Wing fanboy.
But really, a tractor beam on a starfighter capable of affecting other fighters enough to make them easier to shoot, along with towing damaged ones back, being as fast as or faster than the entire Alliance fleet, armed as well as an X-wing (Has two ion cannons instead of the extra two proton torps), AND more than twice the durability in shields than a Y-wing (which is pretty darn heavily shielded for a fighter if I remember right).
Dear lord, I bet THAT was a nasty surprise to quite a few Alliance pilots
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 21, 2011 17:07:33 GMT -5
Not to mention that it still carried missile payloads. And the Empire could now use the devastatingly effecting tactic of guerrilla fighting with starfighters after putting a hyperdrive on there as standard.
That tactic alone would be enough to keep the Imperium completely floundered, if not threatened. Jump in, shoot manufactorums, jump out... While the Imperium is not known for the speed of its response, the Empire is.
Oh, and speaking of speed - communication. The Empire has the holonet. Basically instantaneous video-capable communication with galactic range. The Imperium has... astropaths and astropathic choirs. Capable of roughly the same 'bandwidth,' but a message takes roughly a month just to travel a sector. Someone is going to be outmaneuvered... The battlefield is all about information.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jun 21, 2011 18:16:53 GMT -5
The Tie Defender is a beast. By far my favorite fighter to fly in Tie Fighter... Faster and more maneuverable than an A-Wing, shielded heavier than a Y-Wing, and with a weapon loadout that makes a B-Wing look anemic by comparison...
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 21, 2011 18:38:39 GMT -5
I personally stuck with the classic X-wing.
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And yes, in video games, I do happen to assume the role of the faceless mook who gets killed.
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Jun 22, 2011 3:22:53 GMT -5
Remember if you are assuming the GE is at its height you must assume the same for the Imperium of Man, this would either be the age of the Imperium or the dark age of technology. Take your pick.
And The TIE Defenders high cost, together with political factors, kept it from achieving widespread use in the Empire and units were assigned only to the most elite pilots. So the chance of running into whole squadrons would be rare.
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Post by igdude on Jun 23, 2011 10:40:16 GMT -5
One thing I do think the Imperium ships have is durability. In ROTJ we saw a SSD taken down by a few fighters, where an Imperium ship can take a huge amount of damage before being destroyed.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 23, 2011 12:42:13 GMT -5
An Imperium ship can also destroy itself because it thinks it's funny.
But really, when you get your bridge destroyed mid-manuver and are stuck with competance-questionable officers, then crash into something the size of a moon... I don't think any ship from any universe can survive.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jun 23, 2011 16:39:29 GMT -5
Also, remember, Imperium shields cannot stop torpedoes, while as far as I'm aware Star Wars shields stop everything...
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 23, 2011 20:46:06 GMT -5
Except that Star Destroyers shields don't protect their shield generators.
No, I do not know how that works.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 23, 2011 22:09:55 GMT -5
Except that Star Destroyers shields don't protect their shield generators. No, I do not know how that works. They do, it's just that when you stick something out by the edge of the shield, it... well, it's a bad plan. Star destroyers aren't what would save the day, anyway. Carrack class ships would be excellent against the Imperium's inability to hit small targets. Those still pack a punch, and are much more maneuverable. And smaller. |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jun 24, 2011 2:40:25 GMT -5
Except that Star Destroyers shields don't protect their shield generators. No, I do not know how that works. They do, it's just that when you stick something out by the edge of the shield, it... well, it's a bad plan. Star destroyers aren't what would save the day, anyway. Carrack class ships would be excellent against the Imperium's inability to hit small targets. Those still pack a punch, and are much more maneuverable. And smaller. Until they got swarmed by Thunderbolts. |
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Jun 24, 2011 4:36:50 GMT -5
A Cobra might be the same size as the Star Destroyer, but the Star Destroyer is faster and more maneuverable, hyperspace is FAR more reliable than the warp for travel (And you don't get have the risk of getting eaten by daemons too), and I'm pretty sure the Star Destroyer packs a lot more firepower (need to check again on it's weapons). I know the GE makes use of ion cannons which disable the electronics in ships and basically leave them dead in the void of space, do you think these would work on the IoM ships? Well actually there is a hyperspace barrier around the star wars galaxy so hyperspace travel in the Imperium of Mans domain would be impossible. (See this link for details starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Outbound_Flight_Project) And thus wise to the Imperium of Man as the range of the Astropathic beacon of terror does not extend that far. So in each others galaxy FTL travel would be near impossible and new methods thought up. .................................................................................................... They do, it's just that when you stick something out by the edge of the shield, it... well, it's a bad plan. Star destroyers aren't what would save the day, anyway. Carrack class ships would be excellent against the Imperium's inability to hit small targets. Those still pack a punch, and are much more maneuverable. And smaller. Until they got swarmed by Thunderbolts. You mean Fury Interceptors right as thunderbolts have been retired to mainly ground operations and supplementary vessels when no other replacements are found. Or they would simply be gunned down by the Imperium of mans close proximity turrets. |
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jun 24, 2011 6:36:59 GMT -5
As far as I know, aside from some fluff inconsistencies, Thunderbolts and Lightnings are not used as void attack craft. Their rocket engines are purely for doing trips from void to surface from a carrier ship, or vice versa. Starhawks and Furies are where the void action is.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 24, 2011 8:00:55 GMT -5
Star Wars fighters far outperform 40K fighters, and weapon ranges on both are comparable.
And from the start, I've been ignoring the fact that neither force has the capability to work in the other's galaxy. Both hyperspace routes and warp travel routes need a long time of ballsy people plotting them, even without other restrictions.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jun 24, 2011 8:28:59 GMT -5
Maybe the Imperium of Man and the Galactic Empire can work in a pincer fashion and smush the Tyranids and the Yuzzhan Vong between them, since they are extra-galactic threats in each universe?
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 24, 2011 9:35:08 GMT -5
Star wars shields are wonderful things, and Tartan-class patrol cruisers would just plain RAPE the IoM's fighter fleet.
How good is the IoM's targeting capabilities? TIEs tend to be fast and agile (even the bombers), and I doubt that Tartans and Carracks would take that much damage.
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Post by Trickstick on Jun 24, 2011 21:49:38 GMT -5
Just a thought I had. Before the warp became all stirred up, before the birth of Slaanesh, warp travel was pretty easy. Mankind spread across the entire galaxy easily enough, using only calculated warp jumps. This became much harder after the warp went crazy, hence the need for navigators and the astronomican.
However, I was wondering if the star wars universe has a hidden warp space, and if it does is it relatively calm. If so, Imperial ships would be able to zip around the galaxy no problem. Navigators would probably find it fun to have such an easy time.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 24, 2011 21:55:57 GMT -5
According to Codex: Daemons, Slaanesh always existed. And yet has a defined birthdate. Meh.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 25, 2011 13:36:48 GMT -5
I will not even try to think about how that works....
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