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Post by krasimirova on Mar 28, 2012 7:01:29 GMT -5
If the squad is 5 bloodletters or less.. Then yes.. 40 lasgun shots will statistically wipe them out..
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 28, 2012 7:14:51 GMT -5
Mm. And this is why I avoid 40K. Small arms are stupidly weak.
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Post by hektorreborn on Mar 28, 2012 9:38:11 GMT -5
Yeah, It's probably just been the disproportional number of games ive played againt deamons that have given me the negative opinion of the PBS. I mean you can get 30 guardsmen for one (filled out) and much more fragile PBS is my usual train of thought... so i see why it makes more sense not to bring 9 psykers..
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Post by Aeon on Mar 29, 2012 12:30:06 GMT -5
"As long as a Fearless character stays with a unit that is not Fearless, he loses this special rule." Run little piggies.. I laughed. Personally, I've never found a fluffy reason to use PBS. Anybody got one?
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Post by krasimirova on Mar 30, 2012 2:13:18 GMT -5
Fluffy reasons..? Fluff is a self imposed restriction, so it is all up to you i guess.. Personally i'd go for something like a Imperial Battle group led by a Inquisitor or simply a experimental usage of Psykers and their applications in battle..?
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Post by charron on Mar 30, 2012 4:37:59 GMT -5
If you are looking for a fluffy reason , look no further than COMMUNICATIONS that's what i thou gt their secondary role would be, just like a guardsman is a ditch digger ( make that grave digger ).
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 30, 2012 5:21:57 GMT -5
There really isn't one beyond "Lol powergaming".
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Post by krasimirova on Mar 30, 2012 5:56:04 GMT -5
It is all a question about the eyes of the beholder..
IMO there isn't anything overpowered about the PBS.. They die just as easy as regular guardsmen, and can be protected in a Chimera, which is only AV12.. If your army is vulnerable to having certain units Ld lowered (as mentioned before Paladin squads or other "deathstar" - units) , then simply target your long range firepower on the PBS.. Yes you'd be removing firepower from other targets, but redundancy isn't powergaming..
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Mar 30, 2012 8:28:01 GMT -5
They (+Chimera) are pretty cheap for what they do, though.
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Post by Empirespy on Mar 30, 2012 9:28:49 GMT -5
One problem I faced against GK with an all psyker list. 2 primaris psykers, 3 full squads of PBS in chimeras, and two vet squads. I was going to use the PBS to be my medium range firesupport. Then I was faced with the Aegis.
Question, if you put a Lord Commissar in the squad, would it be stubbon against the Aegis? Also if I rolled a perils, then could I execute 1, and save the rest of the unit, or would the whole unit die? Thanks
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Post by Trickstick on Mar 30, 2012 9:55:26 GMT -5
Well PBSs have a special rule meaning that you execute d3 on a perils, instead of all of them dying. I don't think stubborn works against the aegis, as it only works on morale checks and not all leadership checks.
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Post by krasimirova on Mar 30, 2012 10:15:41 GMT -5
The Stubborn Aegis Combo, dosn't work.. Good thinking thou, but as Trick said; it only works on moral checks..:/ I guess targeting the GK dreadnaughts early and keep your PBS templates away 1 or 2 rounds would help.. But it is far from optimal mind you..:/ It sounds like a pretty nifty and fluffy list thou..
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Post by Empirespy on Apr 1, 2012 14:47:20 GMT -5
Trickstick, unfortunately they don't, only when the overseer is there that happens, and unfortunately he took them out T1 with vindicares and an astral aim guy. Then they all died because they fail Ld checks because they were Ld5. not nice. This was why I was wondering about Summary execution.
I was thinking about this a minute ago, and has anyone noticed that in a maxed out Psyker squad is nine Psykers strong, the favoured number of Tzeench...
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