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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2007 15:05:03 GMT -5
Right now I have 4 Heavy Support choices in my 2000 point Iron Warriors army. They are a Basilisk, Havoc Squad, Dreadnought, and Predator. I have decided to try to revamp this but I know I am keeping the Basilisk. My plan is to swap out the other 3 choices, (keeping the points at 2000 ) for 2 Defilers, and a Land Raider... does this seem like a smart choice? Any advice?
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Post by majorjav on Feb 23, 2007 15:36:55 GMT -5
Seems good.
defiler are THE choice to take for chaos armies. You can lob shells to your opponent and fiight in closecombat!!
With a bassie, you would have 3 pies and indirect fire....very nasty!
And a land raider as a mobile bunker is good and deadly!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2007 21:47:04 GMT -5
Switch the Dreadnaught for a Defiler (just as good as a basalisk and its gud in Close cmbt)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2007 9:14:52 GMT -5
go with 4 land raiders and watch as you ropponent cries like a girl.. yes they have the ability to go boom very fast.. but load them up with cc units.. land raider rush them forward and cut a swath through them like a hot knife through butter.. i use it for scare tactics myself.. but its also just funny to watch the opponent's face when you drop 1000 points in 4 vehicles before upgrades and know that they can do plenty of damage on the table.. just make sure you have a couple of power fists in the cc squads and you would be surprised at how nasty that army list will be..
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Mar 1, 2007 9:20:05 GMT -5
4 Heavy Support Choices...
Everyone who needs 4 choices of teh same kind has a problem... *hides his 40 Raptors...*
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2007 13:48:15 GMT -5
Granted the landraiders ahve an amazingly high armor value, i dont think they have enough guns... i prefer the ordnance weapons to 2 lascannons and a heavy bolter. Pie plates kill more, but i have to agree... 4 landraiders would be amazing.
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Mar 1, 2007 17:15:50 GMT -5
It doesn't matter that much what you take 4 times. Everything is quite impressive (except 4 Dreads for a SMurf...) and everything has it's advantages. And the impressive goes for Night Lords and Word Beares as well as nearly no opponent expects to face 4 Heavy Suport, Fast Attack or 9! Troop choices...in a 2,5k game (normally played around here)
I've already seen a IW army with 4 Dreads where 3 of them were CC Dreads, one was a shooty one. The rest was one really tough and fast DP, 9 Obliterators and the rest well armed Iron Warriors....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2007 13:54:05 GMT -5
Heya,  Personally, if I were you, I would take a Vindicator. I would also give it the Mutated Hull, Parasitic Possession and Daemonic Possession upgrades. Pricey, yes, but the Vindicator would be THE most bad ass tank you could field, c'mon, think about it. A front armour 14 Vindicator, which can grow back its weapons on a 4+ if they're blown off, or ignore an immobilized result on a 4+ and it also ignores crew stunned, and crew shaken results. That, my friend, would have OWNAGE in C.o.D. The Basilisk is... okay, although I'm not to fond of it myself, it can make an unsightly mess of M.E.Q squads. Defilers are cool, but I dislike them due to the rather weak armour value, and it seems a bit pricey to just lob shells at the enemy. I would say, keep the Basilisk, take the Vindicator and the upgrades I suggested, a couple of Havoc squads OR a couple of Predators. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2007 12:01:29 GMT -5
My intentions for the Defilers was more to be hidden away behind terrain or another vehicle and use the 72" indirect Battle Cannon fire to shell opponents... 3 ordnance blast templates a turn is nice for me, not for enemies.... that was my thinking anywas... the Vindicator idea is an amazingly awesome one and I am now thinking about swaping out the Landraider for the Vindicator... only problem is evening out points
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2007 13:08:11 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan.  But the only major flaw I can find in that is, when indirect firing the maximum range is 72" but the minimum range is 36" That means that if the opponent gets units within 36" or further, you cannot fire at them indirectly. So, if I assume that you play on a 6x4 board, depending on what army you're playing, you may get a couple of Battle Cannon shots out of each Defiler in 2 Turns. A little pricey I think, but if its what you really want, then there is no reason why you cannot take them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2007 3:58:41 GMT -5
Acutally if you play it right they will always be in your indirect fire route.. Put one in both of the most extreme corners.. I know this is a pretty straightforward tactic but you also place your vindicator and demolisher/landraider in the middle with a lot of assault troops for him to deal with.. that way he has to choose.. does he go after the pie plate spewing monsters in the corners.. or does he deal with the threat of the rest of the force bearing down on him in the middle? even if they do get close to one then you have the other to shoot at them still.. it is very hard to take on 3 angles properly.. but yet it is very easy for us ( IG and IW ) to dish out damage in multiple directions.. Give that a shot if you want.. it works really well for me most times.. very rarely does it fail for me.. and when it does it is usually because I messed up royally  gris |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2007 20:17:14 GMT -5
hahaha, thanks guys, i appreciate the feedback
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2007 16:41:28 GMT -5
go with 4 land raiders and watch as you ropponent cries like a girl.. yes they have the ability to go boom very fast.. but load them up with cc units.. land raider rush them forward and cut a swath through them like a hot knife through butter.. i use it for scare tactics myself.. but its also just funny to watch the opponent's face when you drop 1000 points in 4 vehicles before upgrades and know that they can do plenty of damage on the table.. just make sure you have a couple of power fists in the cc squads and you would be surprised at how nasty that army list will be.. As the guy who'd be fighting these Iron Warriors on occasion, I would suggest not using 4 landraiders ever. It would be scary yes, but as soon as logic takes over (which will be pretty quick for me, I've used LR's before) they won't last long. Over 1000 points and a load of cash later, you'll lose all four and have half (or more) of your army's points reduced to burning wrecks. Besides, we're talking Iron Warriors IE seige and defence speacialists, not armored assault. Stick to the fluff and use the basilisk and defiliers. |
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Post by moloney on Jun 20, 2007 9:30:58 GMT -5
Ive played my iron warriors for a few years in alot of tournies and i think u should DEF!! get a vindicator the amount of power they dish out is promising .... the hard part is trying to get its 24 inch range to the enemy before they blow it to shreads...... i usualy hide my lord behind my vindicator until they both reach the enemy and break off 2 ouchies for the opponent to think about hehe  |
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But the only major flaw I can find in that is, when indirect firing the maximum range is 72" but the minimum range is 36" That means that if the opponent gets units within 36" or further, you cannot fire at them indirectly. So, if I assume that you play on a 6x4 board, depending on what army you're playing, you may get a couple of Battle Cannon shots out of each Defiler in 2 Turns.
