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Post by optimat on Apr 24, 2012 14:25:20 GMT -5
I have space for one tank to be my sole Heavy Support slot in my Infantry guard list. I have little to consistently deal with AV14, as you might expect in that kind of list. I have a (1) Lascannon and (2) Missile Launchers in a Heavy Weapon squad, but that Lascannon is more just a distraction; some hidden Meltaguns here and there in a large platoon, and my Veterans have melta bombs to charge transports...
So, back to issue 1, little to deal with AV14, and about 180 points to spend.
Firstly I wanted a Manticore, now I'm swaying more towards a Vanquisher LR. Both have as much trouble hitting as each other I imagine, one being low BS to hit and one scattering in most situations.
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions? 180 points is the max, but am more than willing to take something effective and spend some points on infantry to keep it protected, for example.
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Post by DadCRO on Apr 24, 2012 14:31:43 GMT -5
Manticores are beast. Vanquishers are fails.
Manticores:
Pros:
blast weapon
S10
kills vehicles and infantry
multiple shots
Ordnance
Barrage
cons:
4 shots (not really a con, because if it lasts that long, you are lucky)
low armor
immobile
Vanquisher:
pros:
high armor
Mobility
Can fire two weapons
2D6 pen
Cons:
BS3, one shot per turn
Only good against vehicles.
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Post by optimat on Apr 24, 2012 14:37:52 GMT -5
I was thinking maybe a Medusa instead of? Cheaper, and can hit hard... but really weak armour. I suppose the Manticore can at least hide. I also have/use Mstr Ordnance as well if that helps the decision at all? I quite liked the idea of having an infantry-based basilisk, even if it does scatter a lot you still get quite a high strength shot to hit something with.
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Post by Soap on Apr 24, 2012 15:03:49 GMT -5
You thought about using the standard leman russ? Big turret gun and a las cannon too. Think that's below your 180 pt mark.
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Post by Peter Cooman on Apr 24, 2012 15:08:17 GMT -5
If your worried about armour, what about a demolisher? The str 10 can crush a land raider if scatter goes your way. And the ap is better than a manticore too, in case you encounter some termies.
Deck it out with a hull lascannon and you have 180 exact.
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Post by Rook on Apr 24, 2012 15:09:41 GMT -5
I have space for one tank to be my sole Heavy Support slot in my Infantry guard list. I have little to consistently deal with AV14, as you might expect in that kind of list. I have a (1) Lascannon and (2) Missile Launchers in a Heavy Weapon squad, but that Lascannon is more just a distraction; some hidden Meltaguns here and there in a large platoon, and my Veterans have melta bombs to charge transports... So, back to issue 1, little to deal with AV14, and about 180 points to spend. Firstly I wanted a Manticore, now I'm swaying more towards a Vanquisher LR. Both have as much trouble hitting as each other I imagine, one being low BS to hit and one scattering in most situations. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions? 180 points is the max, but am more than willing to take something effective and spend some points on infantry to keep it protected, for example. I would go with the Manticore. In addition I would get rid of the missile launchers for something a little cheaper. |
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Post by optimat on Apr 24, 2012 15:48:01 GMT -5
They do seem a little expensive but I liked how I could switch roles with them if I wanted. Seems like my first instincts were right though... which is good because I liked the synergy of having a load a Chimera chassis models.
Still taking suggestions! nothing bought yet.
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Post by DadCRO on Apr 25, 2012 10:02:29 GMT -5
I love missile launchers. The S8 really helps.
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Post by Jackal-0311 on Apr 25, 2012 11:08:15 GMT -5
The Manticore for the win.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on May 2, 2012 17:48:58 GMT -5
Any of the proffered options are an entirely viable solution, aside from the Vanquisher (which only shines when upgraded with Pask and used to hunt superheavies).
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Post by cheminhaler on May 4, 2012 11:16:45 GMT -5
The extra d6 armour pen on the Vanquisher might make a difference VS armour 14, but all it takes is one 'weapon destroyed' for you to lose it. A normal LRBT with a lascannon might serve you better and leaves you with 15 points.
How many points is the list?
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Post by optimat on May 4, 2012 14:03:49 GMT -5
2000 exactly using the Vanquisher w/ Lascannon, but that's more of a collection than a list. I dont play often and don't envisage playing the Guard for a long time, but I just like to collect and paint legal, semi-competitive armies.
i.e. no multiple vendetta melta vets because I dont want to fluff model them, but therefore still want my heavy support slot to be able to compete against AV14.
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Post by WestRider on May 5, 2012 11:51:05 GMT -5
If you want a Heavy Support Choice that's effective against AV14, you're looking at a Manticore or a Medusa with Breacher Shells.
They can't take return fire as well as the Vanquisher, but they dish out a lot more pain, and are much more versatile as well.
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Post by DadCRO on May 5, 2012 11:57:51 GMT -5
A medusa with breachers is so not versatile it's insane. But manticores are.
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Post by WestRider on May 5, 2012 12:34:07 GMT -5
It's still a S10 AP1 Blast. That's more versatile than a Vanquisher. Good against Terminators (especially Paladins), and all kinds of other Elite Units.
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