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Post by Jackal-0311 on Jul 2, 2012 21:30:02 GMT -5
So....I had and idea...
Can you take a chimera and use it as a light tank so long as you have equal number of chimera as squads?
and if you can....can those same squads be mounted in Valks?
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Jul 2, 2012 22:30:40 GMT -5
Of course you can! You can use it as a poor mans Hellhound. (Empty, equipped with Heavy Flamers and rush it on up. New vehicle rules make standard vehicles much faster, basically instead of shooting you can move an additional 6 inch in the shooting phase. You can also shoot when moving at cruising speed.)
You can use them as fire support. (3 Chimera's with turret and hull heavy bolters is 165 points. Where as 2 Heavy weapon squads with heavy bolters is 150 points. Not much of a difference for the same weight of fire, increased survivability, movement and transport ability.)
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Post by Jackal-0311 on Jul 2, 2012 23:07:22 GMT -5
Of course you can! You can use it as a poor mans Hellhound. (Empty, equipped with Heavy Flamers and rush it on up. New vehicle rules make standard vehicles much faster, basically instead of shooting you can move an additional 6 inch in the shooting phase. You can also shoot when moving at cruising speed.) You can use them as fire support. (3 Chimera's with turret and hull heavy bolters is 165 points. Where as 2 Heavy weapon squads with heavy bolters is 150 points. Not much of a difference for the same weight of fire, increased survivability, movement and transport ability.) Just for my clarification...those squad that would be allocated for the chimeras can be mounted in valks and the chimera can roll as an independent unit then..? |
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Jul 2, 2012 23:17:50 GMT -5
Just for my clarification ... those squads that would normally be allocated for the chimeras can be mounted in valkyries and the chimera can roll as independent units then ...? Not to sure if you can start the squads in the valkyries as the squads are equipped with dedicated transports. Someone please clarify that for me please. But after turn two or if they are purchased for a combined squad then yes correct. |
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Post by vulpine on Jul 3, 2012 3:11:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the valks. However I've had two armies (a inquisitor storm trooper force woth 7 Cis and a mech guard force with 13 and 1 russ) were I used cis as light tanks. 2 Hev bolts and a Stubber for 65pts, it's around the same as a Hev Wep team but a load faster.
I used to use them in pairs, one would sit and fire all and the other would move 6 and fire one, although I think that's all changed now.
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Post by optimat on Jul 3, 2012 16:26:16 GMT -5
As far as I knew (and this is still in a 5th mindset) if a unit has a dedicated transport, the only transport it can deploy in is said dedicated transport. So, directly, you wouldnt be able to buy a squad a chimera (granting you the chimera) and then have them deploy in reserve in a Valk with the Chimera on the table.
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Post by vulpine on Jul 3, 2012 16:28:57 GMT -5
But you can deploy seprate (in 5th) so you could then hop in a valk
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Post by optimat on Jul 3, 2012 16:31:33 GMT -5
Yes sorry I didn't cover that, you would have been able to deploy them separately as you say, and have them embark in the Valk.
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Post by Jackal-0311 on Jul 3, 2012 18:48:59 GMT -5
Hmmmm...interesting.
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Post by WestRider on Jul 3, 2012 19:50:50 GMT -5
You've always been able to Deploy a Squad with a Dedicated Transport in another Transport. All the Dedicated restriction did was keep you from putting any other Squad in the Dedicated Transport during Deployment.
Unless that's changed in 6th, you can still totally put the Infantry/Vet/whatever Squads in Vendettas and run their Chimerae as light Tanks.
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Post by Jackal-0311 on Jul 3, 2012 20:12:04 GMT -5
You've always been able to Deploy a Squad with a Dedicated Transport in another Transport. All the Dedicated restriction did was keep you from putting any other Squad in the Dedicated Transport during Deployment. Unless that's changed in 6th, you can still totally put the Infantry/Vet/whatever Squads in Vendettas and run their Chimerae as light Tanks. You sir are my new hero! |
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Post by WestRider on Jul 3, 2012 20:53:07 GMT -5
Bear in mind that I still don't have my 6th Ed Rulebook. There may be some change in the Dedicated Transport Rule that kills this. But in 4th and 5th Ed, that's how it worked.
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Post by Jackal-0311 on Jul 3, 2012 20:58:17 GMT -5
Yeah...I hoping that it stays the same, I think it would be bitchin idea....no that its a new one.
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Post by optimat on Jul 4, 2012 2:42:41 GMT -5
Oh really? Well then in that case I'm sorry for my duff advice. I guess that's just something I've always understood wrong. Never really came across the situation for it to be contended before to be honest, playing space marines before now.
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Post by WestRider on Jul 4, 2012 10:50:53 GMT -5
That's another of the Rules that I see mistaken all the time, don't worry about it.
I should maybe do a "Top 5-10 Rules You're Probably Getting Wrong" post after a couple months of 6th.
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Post by treadiculous on Jul 5, 2012 13:46:52 GMT -5
I can see the reserves issue coming into this.
Today me and Emptyhat looked up Flyers and reserves, and even flyers which can hover MUST start in reserve. This means your planned embarked infantry must also start in reserve.. (which according to the FAQ and 6th ed rule book is a very confusing un-resolved grey area)... and seems to mean your chimera must also start in reserve.
I think the 6th ed book states that the platoon is a number of units to be rolled for seperatly at the appropriate point for the FOC and that dedicated transports and their units are rolled together (it makes no mention of whhether they need to be embarked), while the FAQ appears to go against this and states the platoon arrives as a whole thing all at once.. (but with no explanation as to what to do regarding empty transports - if this is even possible).. and that units embarked in non-dedicated transports are rolled for separately.
This is one area they really need to sort out, (6th Ed: pg 121, and pg 124).
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Post by Jackal-0311 on Jul 5, 2012 21:18:13 GMT -5
Damn, that confusing as all hell.
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Post by Bentath on Jul 6, 2012 12:11:59 GMT -5
You can't do that. Chimeras are not fast and therefore when moving at cruising speed can only fire weapons as snapshots. Templates cannot be fired as snapshots.
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Post by tonba on Jul 22, 2012 16:11:36 GMT -5
I like to use my chimeras as light tanks.
Basically I get them to concentrate thier firepower on a vehicle and take out my opponants transports (like rhinos/razorbacks), then my russ's normally nuke what ever is left, OR destroy all remaining armour.
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Post by TheHoboHunter on Jul 22, 2012 23:16:48 GMT -5
I normally have my Chimeras working as light fire support tanks anyway and they work fine; there's usually either a vet squad built to countercharge, plinking away with anti-transport guns, or a CCS built for orders, plinking away with a lascannon, sitting inside it.
They work well enough there, so I see no reason they can't work well enough with the squad on foot beside them or chauffeured by another transport. The tank itself is fairly solid value for its points; the real question just becomes arming it to the type of support you need.
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