Pask and precision shots

[lemanrussman]

Ok can you use pask in a punisher with precision shots. Thx guys

[vulpine]

I suppose so! It won't help much... However his extra BS x all this shots! Hes still worth considering.

[verminard]

Sadly Pask doesn't show up in the list in the back as anything. I don't know if this means he is not a "character" or if he is. I would assume that he is a character, in which case this could be a lot of fun to play with. But I could see the argument, especially since there are no vehicle (characters) that are blatantly listed in the back of the BRB. Makes me wonder about Bjorn the fell handed too.

[lemanrussman]

Well if this did work you could feasibly use pask to hammer characters etc. in squads and with that # of shots your sure to have a few 6s, say bye bye warboss

[magot]

@ Verminard: Pask is Knight Commander Pask, He commands a LR and the LR uses the BS of Pask

@ lemanrussman, note that characters do have the Look Out Sir roll, just like in fantasy.

question: is the crack shot rule out?

[lemanrussman]

Well im pretty sure crackshot still applies. Good point on look out sir, although it would still be effective against special weapons and the like.

[iggy666]

Pask is a character. If anyone tries to argue ask him what a special character is and then punch him in the face

With 20 shots, on average, you will get 3.3 6s. You'll wound the character twice and he'll pass his saves or pass his look out sir. You could target special/heavy weapons, sergeants to destroy morale (who will not be able to rely on Look out sir)... but I'd say its a large waste of points. Your wasting his BS on a tank thats not worth its points already.

Try the executioner, that can pick its targets too. Put pask on it so the scatter is reduced by an extra inch. Target Warlords with this and when he fails his look out sir you have a plasma shot on him, instead of a crappy punisher turret. With 5 plasma cannon shots you will hit at least once, maybe twice and probably roll a 4 for scatter range at least once and effectively get 2-3 hits. If the warlord passes all of his look out sir rolls you will still kill bodyguards, plus the scattered blasts and the extra wounds on the unit from the blasts that hit.

[kogeninja]

I disagree that Pask is a character because if he was, he'd be able to be called out in a challenge and, since he doesn't have a profile or anything, that's impossible. He's just an upgrade for a Leman Russ.

[ElegaicRequiem]

I remember reading something about leaders getting a bonus even if they're vehicles. I'd think that means that characters can be vehicles.

I'm not up on GW logic, though.

[kogeninja]

Yes, maybe some characters can be vehicles but P.63 under Character Types says "They have their own profile..." which old Pask does not have, ergo, he is not a character so no Precision Shots with him.

[lemanrussman]

Well pask does have a profile, its just that a vehicle profile is part of it, logically since pask is a vehicle character he should have precision shots. Just like his space marine counterpart. I think characters in vehicles need rules clarification. And my punisher variant for pask is 3 hvy bolters and hvy stubber 32 shots is around 5-6 that could be dedicated to special weapons etc.

[kogeninja]

So can an enemy character issue a challenge when they assault the Russ that Pask is in? What happens if you accept?

[jeytryon]

To issue a challenge to a vehicle character would be a waste. As it would negate the other models attacks.

[kogeninja]

That's as maybe but if Pask is a character then this is a possible situation within the rules. Since we're talking hypothetically anyway, tell me how you would resolve one character issuing a challenge to Pask's Leman Russ in assault and the owner accepting? I just don't know how you resolve it.

[Deathkorpsman]

I'm not certain he qualifies as a character as he lacks one of the few defining characteristics of a character, i.e. his own profile. Even if he were, he wouldn't get precision shots because he's not actually shooting anything. His tank ace rule says the Leman Russ "uses" his BS, which means the tank is shooting and not him.

If there is something that specifically defines him as a character somewhere, that would change things greatly and leave me scratching my head on how to use him unless GW spells everything out. Seems like a really trivial thing that would need a fair amount of rules to implement.

[Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four]

I'm coming down on the side of Pask not being a character because he isn't mentioned as such in either the BRB or the Guard 6th edition FAQ. Until he is listed as a character in the FAQ he is simply a vehicle upgrade.

[kogeninja]

Oh good, glad I'm not the only one thinking Pask doesn't count as a character!