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Post by kobracommander on Jul 3, 2012 10:57:14 GMT -5
50% of the model has to be GW?
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Post by connor on Jul 3, 2012 13:15:54 GMT -5
i think it also has to be painted in 3 different colors or something...
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Post by vegna on Jul 3, 2012 16:35:31 GMT -5
think it depends as well on the tourney.
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Post by 3ff3ct on Jul 4, 2012 3:11:35 GMT -5
I've heard it's usually 75%, although as stated it's up to the guys running it.
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Post by commissarbob on Jul 7, 2012 9:16:35 GMT -5
When I called a GW representative they stated all models must be 100% GW using only GW bits, they must be painted with a minimum of 3 different Citadel colors, and must be based and flocked using Citadel rocks, static grass, etc.
I do not know how they would try to verify the brand of paint and basing material used...
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Post by kobracommander on Jul 7, 2012 9:34:39 GMT -5
Wow! 100% That's incredibly stupid.....
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Post by Vice-Shogun Himura on Jul 8, 2012 14:03:29 GMT -5
Full agreement!
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Post by Empirespy on Jul 8, 2012 15:39:29 GMT -5
To be honest, GW's range is huge, and there are lot's of bits that are OOP and incredibly difficult to find, and then just by shaving down some bits and cutting things off and so forth, it would be nigh on impossible to regulate it if you have a few bits and bobs that aren't GW in there. Paints and basing are also impossible to regulate, so don't go too outlandish with third party bits, keep it quite, and if any judge is being pedantic and questions how official the model is, say it's a slightly modified bit from XXX OOP kit, or something to that effect.
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Post by AshotNINJA on Jul 8, 2012 19:16:01 GMT -5
my friends ork army is fully GW but he was banned from using many models because he had converted some models to be certain charachters even though there was already a charachter model avaliable for them... they refused him outright even though the bits he used were 100% gw and they were perfect wysiwyg charachter stand in's ...
he has not been back...
feth GW woking
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Post by egon on Jul 17, 2012 7:24:19 GMT -5
I use real sand, sawdust and other pieces like that for most of my basing. If a GW tourney didn't allow me entry because of that I'd demand my money back.
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Post by optimat on Jul 17, 2012 17:13:26 GMT -5
It's got to be said... policing on the basing is a little more than ridiculous. "That's not GW static grass! It's a lighter shade of green! *banhammer*"  ? I can expect them to rule on the model, anything that's not GW is (pedantic in some cases I know) not what it is meant to represent and could cause confusion, so it's just a blanket rule and unfortunately some good, perfectly rational stand-ins suffer because of it. |
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Post by kobracommander on Jul 20, 2012 15:26:23 GMT -5
Yes, but when you think about the whole spirit they are trying to infuse in the game with this latest edition of 40k it makes even less sense. "Forging a narrative"...my @ss!
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Post by egon on Jul 25, 2012 8:01:28 GMT -5
I can expect them to rule on the model, anything that's not GW is (pedantic in some cases I know) not what it is meant to represent and could cause confusion, so it's just a blanket rule and unfortunately some good, perfectly rational stand-ins suffer because of it. Well, the true reason is that they don't want third-party manufacturers cashing in on GWs game. Which kind of sucks since being able to modify your models ad nasueam is what inspires a lot of people to play the game. |
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Post by Vice-Shogun Himura on Jul 25, 2012 11:03:20 GMT -5
it largely going to vary from GW to GW as well their maybe a an official policy but unless you are in Nottingham playing at Warhammer world you like are not getting exact corprate policy.
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Post by nickola on Aug 7, 2012 15:56:24 GMT -5
Hello,
I have announced last time I went to my local GW Official store that my entire IG army was going to have alternative heads (was going Pig Iron but went PuppetWar)... the Guys in Red went a bit upset about the necessity to have only GW bits etc etc.
I told them, that participating no tournament at all and having bought 400-500 EUR in minis just for this IG army, I considered it my right to build my minis the way I wanted them, and that anyway GW didn't have any good alternative head that would do the trick. And this was it.
As long as GW has nothing corresponding to offer, what can they ever do... ban me from their damn shop ? OK, I'll go anywhere else and they will be glad to take my money for a bunch of plastic. ^_^
I think they're trying to apply this damned policy even outside tourneys...
Nickola
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Post by emptyhat on Aug 7, 2012 16:34:49 GMT -5
My local GW does have a sheet up which says they want GW models only. It doesn't give a percentage and so far I've had no complaints about my conversions that, for example use a toy car attached to GW parts (this is above 50% though).
Head swaps are a silly thing to enforce since you are buying GW heads with your kit and then simply not using them. They have still sold the parts. I was also pretty peeved at the idea that you couldn't play BFG or Dreadfleet in store but this seems to fluctuate depending on staff attitudes and perhaps table demand, since I have also had redshirts say that they would be happy to see those game played in store.
In the end maybe it is only worth getting worked up on what you know is being said and done and not just rumours and speculation.
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Post by Jackal-0311 on Aug 7, 2012 20:09:51 GMT -5
This is just stupid. I love the game and Im willing to shell out the money for their product, why am I being punished because I use different heads?
GW has their head up there rear.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Aug 7, 2012 20:31:45 GMT -5
Perhaps they're afraid of giving away free advertising to their competitors, who knows...they might take a picture of your army and put it in White Dwarf.
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Post by commisarblur on Aug 9, 2012 22:18:53 GMT -5
My local shop is closing soon and the guys there are loose about the rules. They dont' like those tourny heads and encourage people to be creative in a sense with thier models so long as thier GW only.
I'm gonna miss my shop. It may have been bronze but it's gold in my heart.
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Post by krasimirova on Aug 10, 2012 6:55:09 GMT -5
Yesterday at a game at the local GW store, my opponent was proxying a Waveserpent and a Wraithlord (Rhino and Dreadnaught) because he wanted to try out some ally confics. Table next to us had the store manager.. He interupted our game and said he overheard us refering to the rhino as a Wraithlord and that wasn't allowed in any GW store.. My opponet told him about the ally proxying and that he had my concent (we where both aware of the size differences between the actual models and the models being proxied, and therefore was playing accordingly.. ei. Wraithlord is on of the tallest 40K models the dreadnaught isn't and so on) Store manager said that if we wanted to try out allies, we would have to buy the models and try them out to see if we liked them.. That is when one of my friends pointed out that the store manager was using custodian models as proxies for Paladins (20 mm bases and powerarmored) and that he didn't have the correct Draigo model either.. (He was playing a combination of GK and SW) We where then told to carry on and that my opponent would need to buy the correct models for our next in store game.. ---- OT i would say that as long as the "main model" is GW, there shouldn't be any problems.. As in: Chaos Lord with a Max mini daemon weapon or a dreadnaught with secret weapon autocannons.. Since you have bought the model and are simply customizing it.. But then again i don't own a store i only paint and play..  |
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Post by dangerrod on Aug 10, 2012 7:26:14 GMT -5
Store manager said that if we wanted to try out allies, we would have to buy the models and try them out to see if we liked them.. What a douche! I remember a few years ago at a store where a staff member wouldnt let a guy play cuz non of his stuff was painted! Which is fair enough if it was a tournament....but it was only a lunchtime game FFS!! Danger Rod |
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Post by theyshallnotpass on Aug 28, 2012 10:18:36 GMT -5
Policy at my local store back in the days when I played there (cut down on the playing of 40k due to other committments), was that 75% of the model needed to be GW, with 100% for tournaments. Fair enough since the tournaments are taking place on GW premises.
One strange thing though was that the then manager told me that for some tournaments you could only use parts from one system, so no Warhammer parts in a 40k tournament. This did strike me as odd since not only have I used a fair amount of Warhammer parts on 40k models, but I've seen armies in White Dwarf make extensive use of them for conversions.
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Post by kobracommander on Aug 28, 2012 11:13:11 GMT -5
Yesterday at a game at the local GW store, my opponent was proxying a Waveserpent and a Wraithlord (Rhino and Dreadnaught) because he wanted to try out some ally confics. Table next to us had the store manager.. He interupted our game and said he overheard us refering to the rhino as a Wraithlord and that wasn't allowed in any GW store.. My opponet told him about the ally proxying and that he had my concent (we where both aware of the size differences between the actual models and the models being proxied, and therefore was playing accordingly.. ei. Wraithlord is on of the tallest 40K models the dreadnaught isn't and so on) Store manager said that if we wanted to try out allies, we would have to buy the models and try them out to see if we liked them.. That is when one of my friends pointed out that the store manager was using custodian models as proxies for Paladins (20 mm bases and powerarmored) and that he didn't have the correct Draigo model either.. (He was playing a combination of GK and SW) We where then told to carry on and that my opponent would need to buy the correct models for our next in store game.. That is the most assinine logic I've ever seen! Does this guy play in tournies frequently or something? Are store employees allowed to play in GW tournies...if so, that may be the reason for such inconsistent and often stupidly strict rulings... |
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Post by SirTainly on Aug 28, 2012 18:47:57 GMT -5
Since GW has cut back its tournament support, there are very few official events now. It'll be down to whatever the TO decides - most are pretty flexible and the rule of cool tends to prevail at least around here.
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Post by nickola on Sept 7, 2012 5:47:45 GMT -5
[...] Store manager said that if we wanted to try out allies, we would have to buy the models and try them out to see if we liked them.. [...] We where then told to carry on and that my opponent would need to buy the correct models for our next in store game.. Sorry for being late on the reply, but here in France we have a name for this "Compulsory sale" (vente forcée), and it's just illegal, no one sales person has right to tell you what to buy. I'd like it very much to see someone at the local game store trying to force my hand in buying which figure or vehicle pretexting that I have to have it to even try it. I like the part when your freind points the Manager's army and its proxies ^^. Nickola |
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