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Post by Welsh Paul on Aug 20, 2012 8:02:19 GMT -5
Simple question - can orders be issued from an open-topped vehicle?
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Post by popskis on Aug 20, 2012 8:21:41 GMT -5
yes, but which open top vehicle are you thinking about?
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Post by Welsh Paul on Aug 20, 2012 8:40:32 GMT -5
The Centaur. It's a dedicated transport for Death Korps of Krieg CCS and PCS.
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Post by krasimirova on Aug 20, 2012 8:41:07 GMT -5
Chimeras.. They have the "Mobile Command Vehicle" special rule..
I wasn't aware that open - topped allowed you to give orders when embarked..? FAQ or Errata..?
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Post by Welsh Paul on Aug 20, 2012 8:55:36 GMT -5
Yes, another annoying ommission from the DKK rulebook that is available to the regular Guard armies!  |
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Post by emptyhat on Aug 20, 2012 9:09:13 GMT -5
Where does it say that you can issue orders from an open topped vehicle? Source and page would be good.
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Post by WestRider on Aug 20, 2012 9:12:09 GMT -5
The Guard Codex says that Orders may not be issued from Vehicles. The Chimera has a very specific exemption to this with the Command Vehicle Rule.
Unless it has a similar explicit exemption, no other Vehicle can be used to give Orders from.
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Post by magot on Aug 20, 2012 11:37:28 GMT -5
I asked FW for a FAQ on this one.
it does not make sense that the dedicated transport can´t be used in the way it is supposed to be used by the CCS and the PCS
will let you know the aswer
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tonba
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Post by tonba on Aug 20, 2012 21:31:11 GMT -5
To be honest, I think the answer should remain a no. Just because its an open topped vehicle, doesnt mean that you should be able to communicate better..
In saying that, surely that the chimera being a mobile command vehicle to transmit orders, surely being in the save vehicle, you should be able to recieve orders??? (IE Mounted CCS orders a unit in a chimera to 'bring it down'...)
I think that would make more sense...
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Post by emptyhat on Aug 21, 2012 0:35:32 GMT -5
The last time I saw that argument come up tonba I think it was refuted with the logic that most of the orders would be difficult to act on from inside a vehicle.
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Post by krasimirova on Aug 21, 2012 2:56:05 GMT -5
The last time I saw that argument come up tonba I think it was refuted with the logic that most of the orders would be difficult to act on from inside a vehicle. RUN RUN RUN!!! But sir, the door is closed.. RUN I SAID!! |
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Post by emptyhat on Aug 21, 2012 3:26:05 GMT -5
Or forming up ranks for disciplined fire.
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Post by commisarblur on Aug 21, 2012 11:06:50 GMT -5
Commissar: We got our orders maggots! Line up and fire at those slimey chaos troopers.
Solider: But Commissar, We're inside a chimera and their are only five points of fire access.
Commissar: You dare to question your superirors?! Heresy! *Cocks bolt pistol*
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Post by tonba on Aug 21, 2012 18:22:23 GMT -5
No way, why cant you 'bring it down' from inside a chimera? Considering that normally only the heavy weapons and special weapons can normally hurt..
But fair play boys! I can understand that..
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Post by Welsh Paul on Aug 22, 2012 3:18:02 GMT -5
No way, why cant you 'bring it down' from inside a chimera? Considering that normally only the heavy weapons and special weapons can normally hurt. Look, if you can't drop a Carnifex using Lasgun fire then you need to throw more men into the fray. It's the Imperial way. |
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Post by egon on Aug 22, 2012 4:12:39 GMT -5
The last time I saw that argument come up tonba I think it was refuted with the logic that most of the orders would be difficult to act on from inside a vehicle. Yup. This is my old answer from when it first came up (edited for spelling errors and simplicity): "It's actually not that weird, fluff-wise. Only five people can fire out of a chimera so FRFSRF doesn't really work since you can't cram too many people up against the gunports (anyone who's actually been in an APC knows this). 'Bring it down!' doesn't work neither since it can be hard to see what exactly the officer is poiting at (gunports dosn't exacty give you the best LoS to targets) and the same goes for 'Fire at my target'. What more do we have? Move, move, move!? Can't do that in a Chimera, same goes for Get back into the fight and Incoming. " |
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Post by badgersplatter on Aug 24, 2012 10:41:23 GMT -5
Back on topic: Open topped aside, the Chimera is an exception because it has the "Mobile command vehicle" special rule. By the sound of it this Centaur is quite literally a vehicle for mobile command - so it seems very much like an error that it is missing the appropriate special rule. The answer will be interesting.
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