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Post by syphon on Sept 4, 2012 12:06:18 GMT -5
Why are these guys always modeled with kilts? Because they come from a planet that has lots of fog and they live in clans? Can somebody help me on this one?
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Sept 4, 2012 12:13:40 GMT -5
Why are these guys always modeled with kilts? Because they come from a planet that has lots of fog and they live in clans? Can somebody help me on this one? They're based off of Scottish Highlanders, and following GW logic, everyone in Scotland wears a kilt, ergo the models have them too. Not much more too it than that. GW has never been particularly adverse to the whole "Planet of the Stereotypes" concept. Just look at Catachan.... Reds |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 4, 2012 12:37:37 GMT -5
Planet of the Cossack, Planet of the 1870s, Planet of Prussia, Planet of Imperial Germany, Planet of Rommel, Planet of the Arab, Planet of GLORIOUS SPACE SOVIET, Planet of the Junkies...
Hey, it's lulzy at least. And it would make sense if these were, y'know, actual regiments/divisions rather than entire planetary military cultures.
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Post by The Hawk! on Sept 4, 2012 12:50:10 GMT -5
Hookah has his own planet now?! Didn't think I'd missed that much  |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Sept 4, 2012 14:21:45 GMT -5
Hookah has his own planet now?! Didn't think I'd missed that much He's in his own world, certainly. Reds |
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Post by syphon on Sept 4, 2012 14:32:49 GMT -5
Speaking of ALL planets, has anybody ever noticed that one of the world thats sent reinforcements to Armageddon was called Van de'Man's World? I mean, come on. That is so ridiculous that it's almost on par with the ridiculousness of Necromancer Nick.
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Post by badgersplatter on Sept 5, 2012 5:59:44 GMT -5
Speaking of ALL planets, has anybody ever noticed that one of the world thats sent reinforcements to Armageddon was called Van de'Man's World? I mean, come on. That is so ridiculous that it's almost on par with the ridiculousness of Necromancer Nick. I don't know anything of the fluff surrounding said event but was there some kind of tenuous historical link to Tasmania or Australia going on there? Was Armageddon a penal colony, just to run the stereotypes even further? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2012 10:09:28 GMT -5
No but this is why I despise the GW outlook on 40k. Just because the range they provide is limited suddenly entire planets look like that. Take the Cadians for example, an entire population several hundred million people ALL with black hair, purple eyes and pale skin.
IDK, sometimes I reckon 40k would be better if it was based on let's say three massive planets. Places like Cadia and Catachan, Tallarn and Armageddon would become countries, perhaps even continents but NEVER an entire planet.
A planet is just too vast an entity. Imagine the entire population of planet earth ALL wear kilts and the likes it's just ridiculous.
It would be cool if they steared away from the whole stereotype aspect and created genuine, unique factions. I mean EVERY force apart from Space marines ( and even then there are contradictions ) are directly copied from other sci fi universes.
It takes nothing to steal another man's work.
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Post by badgersplatter on Sept 5, 2012 11:20:13 GMT -5
Hence guard are the best. A million possibilities, do whatever you want as long as they're human and expendable.
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Post by Shostak(AWOL) on Sept 5, 2012 11:30:12 GMT -5
Personally, while I find it ludricous, almost everything about the Imperium is ludricous, so IMO it doesn't matter. I rather like the idea of whole planets being of one indenticle culture, and when you're sacrificing a thousand souls a day to keep your God alive, burning anyone with the slightest birth defect and shooting brave men because they've had the misfortune of fighting a dire threat with a detachment of mystical warriors, I say why not?
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Post by Paimon on Sept 5, 2012 12:34:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always thought that if you're taking WH40k seriously you're doing it wrong.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 5, 2012 17:11:02 GMT -5
A planet is just too vast an entity. Imagine the entire population of planet earth ALL wear kilts and the likes it's just ridiculous. Although it isn't that unfeasible if you think that all these planets were settled by smaller groups originally, which grow over the years into ever larger settlements. |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Sept 5, 2012 17:21:39 GMT -5
The "Planet of Stereotypes" concept is a quick (some might say lazy) way to quickly fill out a large number of societies or planets and give them some flavor without putting in all the effort required to add depth. Remember, a lot of these worlds were one paragraph throw-aways for the 13th Black Crusade or the like, something to get people excited and inspired, and something familiar enough where people could literally go "Yes, I want space kilt wearing Guardsmen!". Like others have said, it's easy enough to get away with in the IG, where units are more likely to wear some sort of iconic garment from their homeworld, even if most of the people back home wear something else most of the time.
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Post by syphon on Sept 6, 2012 10:26:45 GMT -5
@ivory: We have a saying here, which roughly translates to "It's better to steal well than to make badly" @badger: To be honest, the only reason I went to 40K is the fact that the Imperial Guard is so diverse. I originally wanted to start with LOTR but I realised something early on: You can paint a Rohrrim's cloak purple, he will still be a Rohirrim. Shostak(AWOL): Somehow, your talk reminded me of a guy on...maybe it was on the Empire forum I go to..He made an army out of Empire guys, using Empire kits only. The only difference was that he based them on round bases. Paimon: The problem is that the fluff itself has become more serious. Remember the clams? We used to be able to fight huge clams! CLAMS! So if you do not take it serious, you are fighting its own seriousness. cheminhaler: You're using logic. Logic in this universe? HERESY! @reds: More logic. HERESY! |
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Post by Adam Selene on Sept 7, 2012 9:09:24 GMT -5
Speaking of ALL planets, has anybody ever noticed that one of the world thats sent reinforcements to Armageddon was called Van de'Man's World? I mean, come on. That is so ridiculous that it's almost on par with the ridiculousness of Necromancer Nick. I don't know anything of the fluff surrounding said event but was there some kind of tenuous historical link to Tasmania or Australia going on there? Was Armageddon a penal colony, just to run the stereotypes even further? Yep, and the were called the 'Redbacks'  Feking miracle they weren't all penal legion. Ahh GW, your lack of imagination is so all-pervasive it almost resembles originality. |
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Post by syphon on Sept 8, 2012 8:01:44 GMT -5
You are aware it was a reference to Ruud van Nistelrooij, right? Just checking.
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Post by Pyrotechnics on Sept 15, 2012 9:03:45 GMT -5
A planet is just too vast an entity. Imagine the entire population of planet earth ALL wear kilts and the likes it's just ridiculous. Although it isn't that unfeasible if you think that all these planets were settled by smaller groups originally, which grow over the years into ever larger settlements. Yeah. In Bio this year we were taught about the "Founder Effect" . When you take a group from a population and put them somewhere else (or they find their own way there), the frequency of alleles will not likely represent the population. This is more related to the cadians-are-all-very-similar than look-at-all-the-space-scotsmen, but still. |
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Feking miracle they weren't all penal legion.