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Post by hellweed on Sept 25, 2012 21:48:48 GMT -5
Now as i return to the game after a long hiatus (last game i played was in 3rd edition) it seems some of my kit is out of date.
What i mean by that is i have most of my commanders equipped with P fists. Used to run one on the company commander , had one on a commi, and one on my platoon commander. They racked up a fairly impressive kill count of big bads( wraithlord, daemon princes, so on)
As i rebuild my army and read army lists and such, i don't think ive seen a powerfist equipped on anyone but the occasional Lord Commissar.
Even then they were a point sink, but are they just not worth it at all anymore? Also what kind of builds do you suggest for the CCS? Id like to hear your opinions.
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Sept 25, 2012 22:21:21 GMT -5
With the new challenge rules, equipping your commander with anything but a range weapon is now worthless. No more Nob with power klaw trick for us with the disposable wounds.
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Post by emptyhat on Sept 25, 2012 22:32:44 GMT -5
With the addition of hull points a S6 powerfist is probably more likely to take out a vehicle since glances will hurt it more. I don't see why it would be weaker against Wraithlords, etc. except that if you do the charging then you have to face overwatch.
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Post by WestRider on Sept 25, 2012 22:35:48 GMT -5
I use one on my Company Commander sometimes. If you're getting multiple Units stuck in at once so you've got Sergeants in there to soak Challenges, it can add a nice extra bit of damage.
In general, tho, the CCS is much better as a Firepower/Buffing Unit, and if you want a real Assault Unit, well, we've got Allies now ;D
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Post by badgersplatter on Sept 26, 2012 6:16:59 GMT -5
I tend to see them as either mostly "naked" units for orders, advisors etc with maybe a heavy weapon at BS4, or being used as cheap vet squads with plasma or melta.
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Post by Ponen19 on Sept 26, 2012 11:33:49 GMT -5
If your running a decent amount of infantry and can spare the points, I've found vox casters to work incredibly well, really helps with the order rolls.
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Post by Rook on Sept 26, 2012 18:27:37 GMT -5
If your running a decent amount of infantry and can spare the points, I've found vox casters to work incredibly well, really helps with the order rolls. So many people are against them, I am with you. They are very nice when you get that re-roll. |
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Post by Ponen19 on Sept 26, 2012 23:08:38 GMT -5
If your running a decent amount of infantry and can spare the points, I've found vox casters to work incredibly well, really helps with the order rolls. So many people are against them, I am with you. They are very nice when you get that re-roll. I have them in all my squads. To be honest I don't see why people don't use them more often. Guard have a rather lower LD score when compared to other troops and an even worse BS. "Bring it Down" and "First Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire" add a lot of good, often needed, shots that can mow down an enemy squad or pop an enemy tank. Having the option of re-rolling failed LD rolls is definately worth the insurance. |
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Sept 27, 2012 0:11:40 GMT -5
MY reasons for skipping vox casters are:
1. vox units take up valuable special weapon slots in command squads.
2. commissars are ld9
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Post by badgersplatter on Sept 27, 2012 6:20:33 GMT -5
I'd take them if it was an option for HWSs. A commissar's leadership is good enough for me when doing FRFSRF.
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Post by dangerrod on Sept 27, 2012 7:11:00 GMT -5
Not a fan of them, I would rather spend points on more special weapons
As HWT's cant take them it kinda hurts hurts the "Bring it down" order.
As Ymmot pointed out if your running a blob squad with a Commissar then they're already Ld9 and with his "Summary Execution" USR your gonna get a re-roll of your test anyway.
In my experience I've only ever used FRFSRF, Bring it down and Fire on My Target
Danger Rod
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Post by WestRider on Sept 27, 2012 9:43:16 GMT -5
Summary Execution only works on Morale Tests, not other Ld Tests. No re-rolls on Orders from that.
I no longer give a Vox to my CCS most of the time, because he's generally issuing Orders to HWSs, who can't get one, but they're cheap enough that if I don't have a Lord Commissar, I'll give one to my Blobs and PCSs for FRFSRF and Move! Move! Move! Ld9 still fails 1 time in 6, which is more than I care for.
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Post by Bobulus on Sept 30, 2012 0:21:54 GMT -5
Now i have two command squads. The first one I run vith everything, astropath, master, naval officer, bodyguards, banner, vox, plasma, medic.
Not why they are usefull, but because they look cool on the table.
The second one has 4 snipers another master and senior officer with a bolter.
Lately I've found that 4 orders from CCS and 2 from platoon squads ar more than usefull.
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