Sgt. Rock
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Post by Sgt. Rock on Oct 6, 2012 20:07:09 GMT -5
Has anyone had any experience with him? It seems to me that giving him 3 plasma vets and the Grenadiers doctrine with a Chimera would be a pretty useful unit. Thoughts?
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Post by WestRider on Oct 6, 2012 20:45:37 GMT -5
Way too expensive. I tried him for a while, but he's just not worth that much. No matter how you tool them up, Vet Squads are fragile, and he doesn't really add all that much for all that long.
Think about it like this: You could get a pair of Vendettas for the same price as that Vet Squad. Which do you think is going to have more impact?
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Post by Sgt. Rock on Oct 7, 2012 12:46:42 GMT -5
Hmm. Fair enough. How about Harker? Doesn't really need the Chimera, what with Infiltrate, and he gives the squad a (potentially) second heavy bolter. Infiltrate him and his buddies into some forward terrain, hunker down, and blast away?
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Post by WestRider on Oct 7, 2012 13:41:32 GMT -5
Harker seems a lot better. I haven't tried him, but I know some people who have gotten good results with him, and I can't say that about Bastonne.
I've always thought of keeping his Squad as a mobile firebase, with Grenade Launchers (or maybe Plasmaguns with the 6th Ed Rapid Fire Rules), so they can keep scooting away from Assault threats while maintaining fire. Cheap enough to add a Heavy Bolter or Autocannon for the Turns they don't need to Move, tho. Possibly worth noting that his Stealth now stacks with Camo Cloaks, since they're just a straight +1, not tied to any USR.
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Post by Sgt. Rock on Oct 7, 2012 13:50:25 GMT -5
Wait, they stack? Holy crap, I didn't realize that... that makes him a *much* more appealing option...
EDIT: So wait, if I give Harker Forward Sentries, he's got Stealth from being Harker, Stealth from the camo cloaks, and, within 8" of the firing unit, Stealth from the defensive grenades? So, if someone is within 8", I get +3 to my cover save? That just seems... broken. It says Stealth stacks with Shrouded, but does it really stack with itself?
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Post by WestRider on Oct 7, 2012 14:00:09 GMT -5
Stealth doesn't stack with itself. It stacks with the Camo Cloaks because they were Errataed to just be a straight +1 to Cover Saves, rather than providing Stealth themselves.
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Post by Sgt. Rock on Oct 7, 2012 16:34:35 GMT -5
Oh good. That makes more sense. But even so, Harker sounds like a useful option.
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Post by Rook on Oct 7, 2012 18:10:49 GMT -5
Oh good. That makes more sense. But even so, Harker sounds like a useful option. I have used Harker in a Chimera to good effect. I put 3 GLs in his squad with him and had them infiltrate real close to the enemy while still in the Chimera. The only thing I can recommend is do NOT put any flamers on the Chimera he is in unless you are going to get close to the enemy which is the wrong way to use Harker. |
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