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Post by rodross on Oct 23, 2012 6:56:45 GMT -5
So I'm playing a 1k list for fun on sat.
2 platoons - 20 man blobs, 20 man conscripts
Each conscript unit has lord commissar in.So just introducing these potentially useful Tarpit tactics which I'm thinking of implementing:
Conscript Tarpit:
The tactic I'm thinking of is:
a conscript unit is charged and The Lord commissar challenged.
The commissar refuses the challenge so the unit doesn't get his ld.
The other commissar lord remains in 6" to confer his ld 10. And the still have stubborn from The Lord commissar in the unit.
So u have 2 potentially unbreakable 20 man blobs providing The Lord commissars remain within 6 inches of the other unit. This is all good as long as both units aren't in close combat. Anyone used this to much success? Just thought it'll be a bit of fun. And of course if the commissar isn't challenged he's free to kill.
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Post by WestRider on Oct 23, 2012 9:14:09 GMT -5
Or just take regular Infantry Squads with Commissars, and have the Sergeants accept the Challenges. Saves you 30 Points on 2 21 man Tarpits (And honestly, against a lot of things, 21 dudes won't Tarpit for long. A Chaos Lord with the Black Mace can solo that in 2 Assault Phases on his own as often as not.), they still have a re-rollable Stubborn Ld9, they shoot better while waiting to tarpit, and they can pick up Special/Heavy Weapons to add significantly to your firepower while the enemy closes.
Oh, and it also means you leave your HQ slots open for CCSs, which are a way better option.
Lord Commissars have their place, buffing Ld for HWSs and such, but Conscripts are just too expensive compared to regular Guardsmen, and this concept sacrifices too much of the strength of the Imperial Guard List for a mediocre tarpit.
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Post by rodross on Oct 23, 2012 11:00:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately you are right, and that makes me sad. I might do it anyway as I have the conscripts painted up. But logically what you said would be a better build.
Cheers.
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Post by rodross on Oct 23, 2012 12:21:52 GMT -5
Ok so I'm scrapping one lord, bring a company command and making the conscripts into one 40 man blob...
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Post by Rook on Oct 23, 2012 20:13:21 GMT -5
Something worth considering is 'going to ground' with your conscripts as an anti assault tactic.
40 models each an inch wide one inch away from the next closest conscript is 79 inches. Not bad.
May not be an ideal tactic but that's the way I would use them.
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Post by rodross on Oct 25, 2012 8:45:31 GMT -5
I'm considering the meat shield option with conscripts and running my commissar lord in the CCS 6inches behind with RS for rerolls. And back of LC when they need to run from Assault. Hoping a 40 man conscript unit will take the heat off the ret of the army.
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Post by Jackal-0311 on Oct 29, 2012 23:20:42 GMT -5
^^^^^ I would say run it and see how it works, it looks like it may work.
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Post by rodross on Nov 5, 2012 16:28:16 GMT -5
well I ran the 40 man conscript blob in the end with the lord commissar behind in the company command squad.
My army consisted of:
20 man blob - lascannon, flamer, commissar
20 man blob - lascannon, flamer, commissar
platoon command - autocannon
platoon command - autocannon
4 ratlings
40 conscripts
company command
lord commissar
fighting blood angels on Relic mission
my worst fears came true when my opponent killed my commissar lord first turn with a lucky lascannon shot! failed lookout sir and failed 4+ cover save!
luckily I had some awesome leadership roles with my now Ld5 40 man unit! and steam rolled the Angels. turns out that 120 las gun shots vs tact squad works out just fine. and the lascannons+auto cannons nailed his vehicles.
not sure 40 men is the way to roll conscripts though, pain in the ass to move around the table. fun though.
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Post by WestRider on Nov 5, 2012 23:37:49 GMT -5
40 is a pretty big Screening Unit. On the few occasions that I've use Conscripts, I've never taken more than 25-30, and that's either been sufficient or they got taken out of the picture so thoroughly that another 10-15 wouldn't have made any real difference.
Also, keeping your LC in the CCS is kind of risky. If they do fail a Morale Test, he'll kill your Company Commander. I really think having him replace a regular Commissar in a Blob is the way to go.
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Post by rodross on Nov 9, 2012 5:55:51 GMT -5
Yeah you have some good points, but can you not use the regimental standard for rerolls rather than The Lord commissar?
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Post by WestRider on Nov 9, 2012 10:49:30 GMT -5
You didn't mention you had the Standard, and not many people take it. That does change things.
A CCS is still pretty easy to gun down, tho, and that way you're losing your LC, your best Orders, and your Standard in one go. Makes for a very tempting target. Putting the LC in the Blob makes your Opponent's Target Priority harder, and lets you spread things out a bit more, moving the LC's 6" Ld Bubble up while keeping it within the Company Commander's 12" Orders Bubble.
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Post by rodross on Nov 10, 2012 11:27:44 GMT -5
Cheers for advice, makes sense.
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