Can someone answer...

[Sergeant CJ]

Why the dreadknight, when armed with the greatsword is rerolling hits etc. on S10?
I understand the extra attack given neither are specialist weapons, but why does it gain the use of both weapons? Is it due to the monstrous creature status? Can someone provide a page or rule to demonstrate such a clause.
Eagerly awaiting a response, as silly as I'll probably feel for having overlooked something rather obvious.

[Sergeant CJ]

Going by the lack of responses, I'm going to say no then.
How very queer

[spazmunke]

Well, I can answer your question.

As per their latest FAQ, ( www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2570043a_Grey_Knights_v1.1.pdf page 5, 2nd Bullet Point) the Dreadknight gets to effectively use the benefits of 2 separate weapons.

The Nemesis Greatsword lets it re-roll its hits, wounds, and armor penetration rolls. While its Nemesis Doom Fists let it strike at STR 10.

Hope that helps.

[Sergeant CJ]

Thanks for the response, I realise that it does but my question is to WHY it essentially gets both weapons.
The closest I've managed to come is that neither weapon states that it has to be while that weapon is used. Simply stating that `a model with this does this` kind of thing.
is this really all there is to it?

[Sergeant CJ]

Must say, I have no idea what you're talking about Dougeye.

[dougeye]

Taken from the GK codex



answer to the original question is simple "because it can" lol

Ill admit i got the ruies confused with nemesis weapons counting as force weapons, even so if the nemesis dreadknight passes a phycic test the nemesis weapons it uses act the same as a force weapon and also cause instant death, i have not seen any rules which make an exeption to the force weapons rule in regards to the great sword.

edit - ive looked again and the dreadknight cannot use instant gib effect on its force weapons because it does not have the "Brotherhood of Psykers rule". But as the image shows it does get to re-roll all dice rolld in CC.

[Sergeant CJ]

That is a very good point, I hadn't considered that it couldn't use the force weapon part of its things.
How very curious, but I suppose a strength ten AP2 hit is enough to pummel most things without eternal warrior into the dirt

[Sergeant CJ]

Why do force weapons re roll though?

[dougeye]

sorry i made a mistake earlier and confused things.

Force weapons - (how i understand it form the rules)

If in this case you have a unit of grey knights with this rule "Brotherhood of Psykers" at the start of the CC phase of each turn you can take a psychic test (based on the best model in the units stats) and if the test is successful the GK's nemesis "force weapons" then obtain the instant kill special rule the same as any othe force weapon. The exact uses of instant kill rule is another question lol If you want ill JPG the rule from the main rule book if you need it.

so anyways force weapons do not re-roll unless the user has a special rule that lets the user re-roll.

[Sergeant CJ]

Agreed to that point. Sorry to have possibly rubbed it in.
Yep, the psychic test is taken on the first unsaved wound inflicted on the highest leadership of the squad. Independent characters don't count. Then they become force weapons. Much to the annoyance of my friends.

[dougeye]

haha im currently reading the GK codex a bit at a time and some of the IC's are quite tasty in close combat lol

[Sergeant CJ]

This is true, though sadly only one character in the entire book has eternal warrior.
It's all in getting to close combat, that armour will only do so much after all!

[dougeye]

Storm Raven in Terminator squad with a char that has a teleport homer, then just teleport your way to the fight (I have never actually played teleport troops so i don't know if this works lol)

[Sergeant CJ]

I've never used a flier just yet. My friends have all agreed they're a tad broken and so we still play ground based. :-P
I've regularly deep striked terminators though. Works well every time lol

[dangerrod]

Nov 23, 2012 7:56:57 GMT -5 Sergeant CJ said:

I've never used a flier just yet. My friends have all agreed they're a tad broken and so we still play ground based. :-P
I've regularly deep striked terminators though. Works well every time lol

Not to start an argument...but, how are flyers broken?

Danger Rod

[dougeye]

probably because all the groundbased forces have weapons that can't shoot them lol i havnt used them in a game yet either so can't give a better opinion just yet.

[Sergeant CJ]

Well, I suppose in all fairness we are yet to experiment with taking the fortification aspect of the new book.
So an army with a flier or two against one that doesn't without an aegis line or anything in a low point game kinda wins really easy.

[dougeye]

i do think that fliers (proper fliers) should be in 1500 points + games at least.

[Sergeant CJ]

Yeah, that's what we agreed to.

[dangerrod]

Nov 24, 2012 10:51:55 GMT -5 dougeye said:

probably because all the groundbased forces have weapons that can't shoot them lol i havnt used them in a game yet either so can't give a better opinion just yet.

Everyone can snap fire ground based weapons against flyers, I've seen my Vendetta go down to one turn of shooting from a Long Fangs squad. I've also rapid fires my plasma vets into a Stormraven to take it down. Its all part of the game now, would your group agree not to field any AV14 vehicles just because there hard to kill?

Plus other flyers can target other flyers ok, so it evens it out.

Admittedly, armies like Nercon Air do seem a bit broken now, but give them time and they'll start getting conquered again!

As for limiting their use in lower points levels, that seems a bit extreme!

This is one of the core changes of 6th Edition along with Psykers and things like overwatch and once you start playing all the rules (not just a hybrid 5th/6th Ed) you should find the game has opened up a lot more

Flyers FTW! (But not always......)

Danger rod