Dedocated Quad-Gun Killers...

[Pax Urbis Pax Imperi]

... a role for Ratling Snipers?

I had an idea recently, on how to deal with the Quad Gun in the Aegis line that everyone (including me) has been taking lately in their lists. The Quad Gun is behind the Aegis line, so its already getting a 4+ cover save, but its also T7 and has two wounds, and 3+ armor.

That kinda puts it into a Monstrous Creature range, at least in attempting to kill it. Most weapons will need sixes or fives to wound this gun, until you get up to the Battle Cannon, Las Cannon, or Manticore and the like.

What about using Ratling Snipers to take it out? They are BS 4, so are hitting on three's. Their sniper gun is wounding on a 4+, and rends on a six, so that's automatic wound, should you get past the cover save.

This could get even deadlier if you ally in Eldar Pathfinders!

This is an idea that I think might bear fruit, but will need to be applied. Now, I grant you that it could take a round or three to kill the gun, but with a lucky roll, you could kill it first turn and your reserves and flyers can arrive safely.

[Ponen19]

Has potential. Since they infiltrate they can get on the other side of the line and deny the gun the cover save (at least I think so, dont have the rule book on hand to verify that). However its also kinda risky since they have such low armor and the gun outranges them. Things could get tricky if you don't have that first shooting turn.

[WestRider]

I'm not sure why you would need to bother with a dedicated Quad Gun Killer. On average, it takes a BS4 Quad Gun 2-3 Turns to kill a Vendetta. Even if you do need to take it out, it's often rather easier to drop the Unit manning it (or at least consistently force them to Go to Ground) than to take out the Gun itself.

If you do need to kill it, most of our Heavy Weapons work just fine. If you can kill a Carnifex, you can kill a Quad Gun, and if you can't kill a Carnifex, you've got problems.

Last game I played with my Chaos Marines, I was overjoyed that my Opponent threw so much effort, including all three of his Heldrakes, into trying to kill my Quad Gun. It meant that the rest of my Army had enough time to pound on the rest of his that I was able to build a VP advantage he was never able to recover from, instead of just getting BaleFlamered into oblivion.

[Pax Urbis Pax Imperi]

I feel strongly that the Quad-gun needs to die in order for my flyers to live, quite honestly. I agree that Heavy Weapons definitely work, I'd just rather they focus on other things, like transports, other tanks, and infantry.

[WestRider]

First off: Each turn, a BS4 Quad Gun gets 4 shots, 3.56 Hits, 1.19 Hull Points to an AV12 Flyer on average. I don't have the time to work out the total odds of it killing a Vendetta in one go, but there's less than a 10% chance of getting an explosion each Turn.

They are honestly not that much of a threat to an AV12 Flyer, and certainly not to Flyers, plural.

Next: so you're going to take a Unit that's sub-optimal in many other circumstances to deal with this one possibility, rather than just taking more all-rounder Units that can also take out a Quad Gun if one happens to show up? You're weakening your list against others, and not particularly strengthening it for this case, compared to just cramming in a couple more Missile Launchers or something.

Hell, the Vendettas themselves make excellent Quad Gun Killers. Especially if the Gun's a little ways back from the Defense Line, they can often find an angle where it's not getting a Cover Save.

[badgersplatter]

Listen to WestRider.

[emptyhat]

Nov 4, 2012 22:11:27 GMT -5 WestRider said:

Hell, the Vendettas themselves make excellent Quad Gun Killers. Especially if the Gun's a little ways back from the Defense Line, they can often find an angle where it's not getting a Cover Save.

I thought flyers denied most cover saves?

Also I played my first game using a bastion and I can see why everyone is calling them deathtraps.

[The Hawk!]

Nov 7, 2012 10:47:13 GMT -5 emptyhat said:

Nov 4, 2012 22:11:27 GMT -5 WestRider said:

Hell, the Vendettas themselves make excellent Quad Gun Killers. Especially if the Gun's a little ways back from the Defense Line, they can often find an angle where it's not getting a Cover Save.

I thought flyers denied most cover saves?

Also I played my first game using a bastion and I can see why everyone is calling them deathtraps.

Why are Bastions death traps? I'm confused now :s

[emptyhat]

When you take a glancing hit you lose a model inside which isn't so bad but when you take penetrating hits you do that and roll on the building damage table which has a bunch of results like "roll 2D6 st6 ap- hits against the unit inside".

I only had gretchin in mine though, and it became more accurate after they all died

[The Hawk!]

Hahahaha.... I'm so glad I haven't started constructing defensive terrain yet An Aegis defense line sounds much better. I havent really played much 6th ed at all, so I havent met the wrath of a quad cannon yet.... But I cant really see it being too much of an issue to warrant it taking priority over enemy scoring units.... I just dont think its practical to target the quad gun..... But If you had to... You have Marbo and his demo charge, make him count

Dave

[emptyhat]

I think it is handy for Orks vs Guard now that close combat is weaker the Orks can take advantage of quad guns and dakkajets to soften things and hunt AV12. If you pair that with lobbas then you can spill the guard out of their transports and then mortar them with St5 Ap5 templates (also lobba grots are T7 while the guns live).

[tiberius183]

Pfft. Orks don't need quad guns. I've seen Ork AA firsthand: its s#!t-tons of Lootas.

[The Hawk!]

Tiberius be correct... That is the true Orkish way to deal with Enemy Air Support. Its Green, its mean, and its guns the only bit thats clean... Its Da Orks!!!!!