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Post by dangerrod on Dec 17, 2012 5:15:29 GMT -5
Thinking of trying one out for a few games, has anyone had any experience using them?
I'm looking to use it mainly for its Invul save for tanks/troops, as well as a hiding place for objectives and toops
Danger Rod
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Post by Ponen19 on Dec 17, 2012 16:21:56 GMT -5
It's not bad, the invuln saves help for keeping Command Squads and Heavy Weapon Teams alive so you opponent cant shoot them up as easily. The only down side is that if you don't have the whole thing covered your opponent cant deep strike onto it without the risk of mis-haping. Personally I think the Aegis Line is better since it comes with the Quad-gun/Lascannon.
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Post by WestRider on Dec 17, 2012 19:59:32 GMT -5
If you've got the sides up for the Invul, the Deep Strike part doesn't work.
Honestly, against most things, the 4+ Cover from the Aegis Line and the 4+ Invul from the Skyshield are pretty much the same. There are some exceptions, and the Heldrake in particular makes the Skyshield rather more attractive, but in many cases, the base defensive benefit is the same, but the save from the Aegis Line can be improved by Going to Ground, it's cheaper, it's more flexible, and it can come with a Quad Gun or Comms Relay.
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Post by dangerrod on Dec 18, 2012 8:51:28 GMT -5
Cheers guys
I was mainly thinking of using it for the Invul save. Would I also be right that MC wouldn't be able to Vector Stike over models underneath the Skyshield?
Plus it would also stop Barrage weapons from hitting units under as well(?)
Danger Rod
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Post by hendrik on Dec 18, 2012 11:51:13 GMT -5
just think of 3 manticores mounted on top of it, each with an invunerable save!
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Post by dangerrod on Dec 19, 2012 7:30:09 GMT -5
just think of 3 manticores mounted on top of it, each with an invunerable save! Almost as nice as three Executioners...... Danger Rod |
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Post by WestRider on Dec 19, 2012 11:33:19 GMT -5
I was mainly thinking of using it for the Invul save. Would I also be right that MC wouldn't be able to Vector Stike over models underneath the Skyshield? Plus it would also stop Barrage weapons from hitting units under as well(?) Even tho it makes sense from a "realism" point of view, I can't find anything in the Rules that would stop a Vector Strike against a Unit underneath it. The Rules also fail to include anything whatsoever on multi-level structures that are not Ruins. It's probably best to treat it as a Ruin for Barrage purposes, but there's no actual ruling on it one way or the other, and it works opposite to Ruins for Deep Striking Units. |
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Post by verminard on Dec 20, 2012 11:19:01 GMT -5
Man, I should put a mark of Tzeentch on some havocs and camp that thing!
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Post by dangerrod on Dec 20, 2012 21:22:01 GMT -5
I was mainly thinking of using it for the Invul save. Would I also be right that MC wouldn't be able to Vector Stike over models underneath the Skyshield? Plus it would also stop Barrage weapons from hitting units under as well(?) Even tho it makes sense from a "realism" point of view, I can't find anything in the Rules that would stop a Vector Strike against a Unit underneath it. The Rules also fail to include anything whatsoever on multi-level structures that are not Ruins. It's probably best to treat it as a Ruin for Barrage purposes, but there's no actual ruling on it one way or the other, and it works opposite to Ruins for Deep Striking Units. Hmm, same here, I can't see anything either. May have to check the FAQ's when I get home. Danger Rod |
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Post by WestRider on Dec 20, 2012 22:42:25 GMT -5
We hashed out the bit about Blasts and the multiple levels over on Ordo a week or two ago. No one was able to find anything in the FAQs or anywhere. Haven't dug into the FAQs about the Vector Strike thing, but I don't recall having seen anything.
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Post by Trickstick on Dec 21, 2012 10:39:36 GMT -5
If the sides are up, wouldn't you get a 4+ cover save as well as an invulnerable? Could be useful if you need to go to ground.
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Post by dangerrod on Dec 23, 2012 2:20:08 GMT -5
I think you would as it would have to be treated as a battlement (surely...)
Not sure if you would get a 2+ bonus like the Aegis D/L though by going to ground
Danger Rod
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Post by WestRider on Dec 23, 2012 14:06:09 GMT -5
My understanding from the description is that the intent of the Rule is for the 4++ to be represented by the defense offered by the sides being up. It's not mentioned anywhere in the Rules, tho.
You certainly wouldn't get a +2 for Going to Ground behind them, that's a special Rule for Defense Lines and Area Terrain, neither of which apply here.
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