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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 7, 2013 12:22:43 GMT -5
In which I try to fix Space Marine aircraft. That said, I don't have a laser cutter or plasticard, so there's only so much I can do given what I'm starting with. Now that I've lowered everyone's expectations, let's look at what I've done . First, here's the normal Stormraven (which I've stolen pictures of from Samson minis), plus the GW 360 view.    More here if you want to see different angles. Here's my redesign.  That's the front, with the redesigned turret and dorsal area.  Side view, the red line is the rear hatch, so you can get an idea of where the hull is under that wing.  And the rear view, with the homing beacon. Those additional thrusters are actually IG searchlights. The two main issues I have with it still are that the hull and tail need to be a bit longer (1in or so), and I should have swapped the capping pieces on the engines around, but the glue had already set by the time I had the idea to swap the wings around. Incidentally, I've noticed that it now bears more than a passing resemblance to the XCOM Skyranger, which may be due to the fact that I was playing XCOM while building the model. Tune in next week, when I'll tackle the Stormtalon. Reds |
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Post by Soap on Apr 7, 2013 13:15:16 GMT -5
Wow. That's really good. Looks much better for the improvements. The new turret makes it look more stream line.
I approve and await pictures of the Stromtalon.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 7, 2013 13:30:10 GMT -5
Thanks Soap. While it's still kind of derp (there's only so much you can do with the Stormraven), the advantage is that it's easy to do, and requires minimal surgery on the model itself. Also, the wings now shield anyone getting out of the side hatches, which I suppose is a plus. The top turret has found a new home on the back of one of my Rhinos, converting it into an Immolator for my Sisters.
Also, while looking for comparison pics to use, I noticed that GW is very, very careful to try and find the most flattering angles possible in their pictures after the poor reaction to the picture that was initially leaked. Funny, that.
Reds
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 7, 2013 15:57:30 GMT -5
Hmm... How hard would it have been to get the engines to be oriented "da proppa" way? I ask because I've never seen the parts of a disassembled Space Guppy before... Or are they irrevocably molded in such a way that reversing the wings requires them to be backward?
I definitely approve of how reversing the wings changes the balance of the model, and I like what you did with the upper turret. Primed canopy makes me a sad panda, though.
Looking at it, I'm wondering if it would be possible to achieve a similar effect simply by moving the wing assemblies forward, but retaining the back-swept orientation? Do the parts allow for this?
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Post by Paradill on Apr 7, 2013 16:20:42 GMT -5
Looking good Redmond. It still looks a bit nose heavy but I can live with that. Like trooper said, how difficult would it be to get the engines facing the right way?
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Post by syphon on Apr 7, 2013 16:36:02 GMT -5
You didn't completely dederpify it, though. It's still a spuss muhreen vehicle! ;D
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 7, 2013 16:44:00 GMT -5
The wings attach to the body using large tabs that go into indents on top of the hull (The blue arrow below is pointing at them). If you just moved the wings forward, you'd either have to forgo the air scoop, or cut indents into it's base to fit the wing tabs. Cutting the tabs off isn't an option, because that's the main way the wings are attached to the hull. As for the engines, the main body of the engine has to go in a specific way, due to tabs that connect it to slots in the underside of the wings. If you trim them down, and trim the engine body a touch, you might be able to put them in backward, but it should be easier to simply swap the thruster caps, so the "front" cap goes on what was originally the back of the engine, etc. The front caps are about half an inch long, while the rear cap pieces are a full inch, so simply swapping them should rebalanced the engine profile a bit. Additionally, there's a support strut (that's actually not necessary) that's part of the engine that you'll have to trim, like I did (see the black arrow below).  @trooper: It's easier for me to prime and paint the canopy than it is for me to go out, buy elmer's glue so the cockpit won't fog, wait to finish the cockpit assembly until I paint the interior (which may not be for several months at the soonest and will be poorly painted anyway), and then find the plastic canopy piece and stick that in. Really, it's not anyone is missing out on anything, and anyway I stole the pilot's head to use on my plastic tech marine. Paradill: It is still front heavy, and the only way to fix it would be to lengthen the body with some plasticard, which wasn't something I was going to risk trying. I'm currently eyeballing my bits to see if there's anything I can add to the rear that'll offer a bit more balance. syphon: I know, it was a losing battle, but I did what I could.  Reds |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 7, 2013 18:37:17 GMT -5
Add a dread. That should re-balance.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 7, 2013 19:07:49 GMT -5
For some reason, having a venerated, centuries old hero of the chapter dangling off the Storm Raven like a turd caught in a dog's bum fur doesn't appeal to me, aesthetically. I also already filled the elite slot for this project.
Reds
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 7, 2013 19:43:16 GMT -5
For some reason, having a venerated, centuries old hero of the chapter dangling off the Storm Raven like a turd caught in a dog's bum fur doesn't appeal to me, aesthetically. ;D Someone needs to sig this. I would, but I don't have enough room left in my signature box field to do so... (Is there anyway someone with the ability to mess with the site settings can bump the number of characters that we can put into it?) |
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Post by Wraelis on Apr 7, 2013 22:59:56 GMT -5
this... is fantastic. I don't hate this model now!!
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 7, 2013 23:06:18 GMT -5
Much thanks Wraelis, but it's still kinda derp. The saving grace of this conversion is that the only bitz that came from my box were the turret (except the lascannons), the homing beacon, and the additional thrusters. Out of those, the only really "rare" pieces are the homing beacon from the SM terminator kit, and the base and part of the targeting system from an Aegis gun. It's really easy for anyone to do this, otherwise I, being lazy, wouldn't have bothered.
Reds
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Post by Wraelis on Apr 8, 2013 3:17:51 GMT -5
Still derpy, indeed. It's just much much better. Is there anyway to switch the engines around so the turbine part faces forward?
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Post by Paradill on Apr 8, 2013 3:56:11 GMT -5
I'm currently eyeballing my bits This means something different in Britain. |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 8, 2013 20:04:55 GMT -5
That's because you're a nation of filthy perverts, my good man.
Reds
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Post by 3ff3ct on Apr 9, 2013 3:37:14 GMT -5
A great model and a good chuckle too  Nice work Reds, if anyone could make that thing look good it'd be you. |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 10, 2013 1:55:55 GMT -5
Nice work Reds, if anyone could make that thing look good it'd be you. Clearly you've never seen anything I've tried to paint. Reds |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 17, 2013 12:27:26 GMT -5
Round two, FIGHT! I got my Stormtalon today (props to Westrider), and set about doing what I could to save it from it's own Derp. First, though, the original GW build.  And now my rebuild.     This one was much more of a pain in the butt than the Stormraven (to convert, the normal build is actually delightfully easy), but I'm happier with the results. My two main displeasures with this version is that I feel I need to add more of a housing for the assault cannons, and I should have put the pair of thrusters on the underside closer to the chin of the aircraft, as opposed to under the wing. I can probably fix both later if I decide to fuss with them. Reds |
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Apr 17, 2013 12:34:54 GMT -5
I just wish the wings were larger or stuck out a bit more.
Perhaps thrusters on the sides with the wings mounted to the thrusters and the assault cannons under them?
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Post by BG. Foster on Apr 17, 2013 12:36:26 GMT -5
It's better than the original but I still don't like them. Not your fault though.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 17, 2013 12:37:09 GMT -5
Ymmot (M.I.A): Me too. I think you could build a "wing extension' fairly easily with a bit of plasticard, but sadly I don't have any, so I was stuck with the stubby little originals. The thruster housings I had access to (the ones that came with the kit) are just far too large, especially if you're going to put those wings next to them. The ACs are where they are to cover up a hole in the model where the original engines were supposed to attach. @foster: "Better than the original" is all I'm going for, mate. Reds
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Post by Soap on Apr 17, 2013 12:48:56 GMT -5
Wow. It reminded me of a game I used to love playing on the playstation 1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-PoliceMuch better than the original. It looks less 'busy'. The original has too much crammed into a small space. Very good work Reds. |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 17, 2013 13:59:34 GMT -5
Makes me feel like we should have an IGMB De-Derping Competition.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Apr 17, 2013 14:41:22 GMT -5
Makes me feel like we should have an IGMB De-Derping Competition. Right. *Removes own brain* *Wins hands down* ;D Reds, TBH, I think that it needs bigger engines--right now it looks barely capable of flight... |
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Apr 17, 2013 15:13:57 GMT -5
Bigger wings and bigger engines would both be good, and if you want to buy me plasticard to make them, I can take a crack at it. The real problem is that there's no piece of the engines that come with the kit that isn't massively huge, and I'd rather they be somewhat undersized than doubling the width of the model. Also, the lower tail fins of the Valk are slimmer, but longer, so they might be a viable option to replace the stubbier original wings. Someone with a more extensive bitz box than I should be able to do a much better job on this, but the only bitz not from the original kit I used are the weapons, the rangefinders, and part of the rear thrusters (once again, IG searchlights). Reds |
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