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hi guys, i just bought the IG codex, and together with some second hand miniatures, which include 2 squad of modian and 1 squad of catachan, actually i want to start Cadian. but now, can i include them into my cadian army?

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Technically, you can include any type of (army legal) GW guard miniature you'd like into your IG army. Doing so, however, will take away the cohesive look of your force. But, yeah, if you wanna use them as a loaner-squad, hardened vets, command squad, go right ahead.

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oh, thanks! it really a good news for me. cause i wont waste my money. so in my cadian army, catachan still benefit from their special rules? the jungle fighting? and my modian still benefit from whatever special rules they had?

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From what I know if you are referring to the catachan codex you would need to field the whole army as catachan. I'd presume that would be true for the special doctrine choices at the end of the ig codex that allow you too take more than 5 doctrines if you play certain armies. Like said though they can definitely be fielded as troops and you could for example give the catachan guys jungle fighters doctrine if you wanted but its not needed.

I think thats how it goes but your better off listening to someone else

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no, actually, every guard infantry model must have the same doctorines and rules if they are the same type. so you couldn't have Cadians and a squad of Catachan with jungle fighters. The entire army would have to benefit from the same doctorines (or lack thereof).

I was implying that if you wanted to use your mordarians as Cadian officers and your catachans as hardened veterans, you could do that, but doctrinal cadians and doctrinal catachans (check the back of your codex) cant fight in the same army.

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You could use a squad of modians as storm troopers and the squad of catachans as veterans and use cadians as regular troops. The other suad of modians can be converted into your HQ and officers etc.

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THANKS FOR THE ADVISE!

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Hang on the doctrines in the codex for say special equipment states that the whole army must take it where applicable. Thats not the case for the jungle fighters skills and drills doctrine. It says "Any Guard Infantry unit can be upgraded to Jungle Fighters at +10 points per unit". To me that says they could field the troop choice platoon with Cadian models all looking uniformly the same and have 1 squad of 10 men in there with jungle fighters doctrine for 10 points. That could then be represented on the model by using your Catachans. I'm not saying you would be using Catachan codex rules but just representing them using one of your 5 doctrines.

I don't see where thats wrong like said

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An interesting point. Just remember, if you do that you can't take anything that applies to the entire army anymore. something like Carapace armour would override the jungle fighters. Be careful picking doctrines.

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"Just remember, if you do that you can't take anything that applies to the entire army anymore" is partly true. It says you cant take cameleoline or carapace armour but you could change your models a bit to take cheminhalers, cyber-enhancement, or warrior weapons. ofcourse any special equipment must be taken on all units it can be taken on but from memory you are still allowed them ones.

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Then go for it if that's what you wanna take.

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so as conclution, I can field the Cadian Troop Platoon with a squad of Jungle Fighter. And if i choose to upgrade a squad to jungle fighter, some of the Cadian Doctrine i cannot use, such as Carapace Armour.

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I didn't think cadians had the carapace armour doctrine.

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bottom line is you cannot mix the looks of your army (e.g catachan guys with cadians) and use one of the codex listed set of doctrines for the cadians or any other army. If you want that then you need all the same models as the army doctrines described briefly in the codex.

You can however decide to use a mix of different models (e.g. catachans and cadians) and use a maximum of 5 doctrines at your choice using the rules outlined like restricted troops. Don't forget that stuff like carapace should be represented on the model but you'll find it hard to find someone who wont let you proxy it in before you start playing.

Lastly you can just avoid doctrines, not everyone uses them. They are fun to use to create an army with a story fitting to their look and all that fluff but it isn't needed to play guard and have fun. However its true that some doctrines used together make your army more capable at things and so if you want an army capable of crushing opponents more often it seems doctrines are commonly used. Thats not set in stone either though and I'm sure armies using points taken by doctrines to field more models or wargear are just as successful.