Imperial Guard vs heavy vehicle SM

[michaelthomas]

First of all I'd like to say hello to everyone here on the forums. Glad to be a part of this community.

Now for the fun stuff. Yesterday I've played against my friend who collects Space Marines (Blood Ravens). We went for 2500 points, Imperial Armour allowed. Basically he steamrolled me. He got himself a Landraider Achilles. That was it. My melta guns couldn't even scratch it. He didn't even needed to use his bikers and tacs.

The problem is that this ins't my first defeat against him. The previous game was also lost by me. Anyway here's my list:

1 x CCS with PP, Carpace, Melta bombs 4 x PG, Vox, 2 x Bodyguards, Officer of the fleet and an Astropath and Chimera with Autocannon, HF and Hunter-killer

1 x Inf Platoon. Platoon command with 3 x PG, Vox, Commisar with PP and PW, Officer with PP

2 x Inf squads with PG, Vox, Commisars with PP and PW, Serge with PP

3 x Chimera vets. 3 x Melta, Grenadiers, PP, Chimeras with Autocannon and HF

2 x 5-man Stormtrooper squad with 2 x Melta, PP

Marbo

1 x Scout sentinel squadron with Autocannons and SL

2 x Cyclops demo vehicle

2 x Leman Russ with HS and HF

2 x Medusa with enclosed CC, HF and camo netting

I don't have any access to flyers.

My opponent went for LR Achilles, Predator with plasma cannon and two FW captains, one of whom granted him Tankhunter. He destroyed one of my Medusas with Stormbolter fire! His Krak Missles had strentgh 11! When I tried to kill his terminators with two squads of my Chimera Vets, I've managed to fell... just one. The best part is that he didn't even need to use his 2 x 5 man bike squads. They've only killed Marbo, after he failed to throw a demo charge at a bike unit, mixed with scouts...

I gotta say guys, I'm getting really tired of losing with my guard. Maybe I'm not a good IG player (I've won with him many times using my SM's), but this is getting really annoying. With the ammount of nigh indestructible armour he can put on a table and his BS 4, AS 3+ it's almost impossible for me to kill anything he has, evem with units like Stormtroopers and Veterans. My artillery usually misses and when it hits it does squat. What's a good way to beat SM's? For the love of God-Emperor, I can't think of anything...

[WestRider]

Unless it very specifically mentions it in the IA book, nothing can take Strength values over 10. By the basic 40K Rules, only Attacks and Wounds can ever go above that limit.

Make sure he's using the current version of the Rules for everything. FW just updated the rules for all the SM Chapters and Special Characters on their Downloads Page

That out of the way, Forge World breaks the game. The Achilles is one of the Units that exemplifies this. The only reliable way to kill that thing is massed S10 firepower: multiple Manticores or Tau Railheads, basically. If you can somehow get Tank Hunter on a boatload of Lascannon, that might do it, too, but that's about it.

If feasible (I can't remember what guns it has), your best bet is probably to ignore the Achilles entirely and focus on killing off his Scoring Units/buff Characters.

[hendrik]

vanquishers still seem to work fine against it, as to tank destroyers, manticores,etc. your medusas could be upgraded into anti tank weapons with bastion breacher shells too.
sure he can field expensive tough models, but we're the imperial guard! throw enough shells at it and something WILL DIE!!*



*offcourse bad dice rolls can always happen. i've had games where my entire list was only able to kill a single marine, due to ma rolling really bad and my opponent rolling really good...