Concerning Heavy weapons teams

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Hello all:

I just have a quick question: how do you count kills for a heavy weapons team that has two guardsmen on one base (for instance: the lascannon team)? do you just say that it has two wounds, or is there another rule for such a circumstance? i understand that you usually assemble the missle team on separate bases, but for the large base teams, i don't see how else you could count it, but to give it two wounds.

just looking for your insight.

Simultaneous

[telecustom]

The way I have always seen it is the first wound kills the loader and the second kills the gun.

[knight (M.I.A)]

1 base with 2 wounds

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I figured as much. Thank you very much for your help, everybody.

[9th Company]

I`ve always played as though the first three wounds the squad takes will be the loaders. Therefore to take one of the heavy weapons out completely you have to kill at least 4 models. I usually place a dice on the base with the one pointing up to show how many wounds the base has remaining.

[Woz]

cdb said:

I`ve always played as though the first three wounds the squad takes will be the loaders. Therefore to take one of the heavy weapons out completely you have to kill at least 4 models. I usually place a dice on the base with the one pointing up to show how many wounds the base has remaining.

Thats what I do.

The problem with the one base two wounds is that it doesn't take into account that when the loader dies you also lose his attack.

[Deleted]

that's another thing i was wondering. The loader can indeed attack? So from one base you get however many attacks from the heavy weapon plus the loader's attack? That's cool.

[Deleted]

If the squad moves, the gunner and loader get to fire with their lasguns. If the squad stays immobile, they can use their HW or their lasguns.

[knight (M.I.A)]

HW moves = both soldiers can fire their lasgun
HW stays stationary = HW can fire + lasgun of the loader or both can fire their lasguns

[Deleted]

wow! a whole world of possibility has been opened up to me! Thanks!

[Deleted]

This rule helps them be useful when the squad has to move. It would be a severe disadvantage to have 2 useless models when you had to scoot-and-shoot.

[Deleted]

I see. That makes sense.

[Deleted]

To answer the original question, if you count the HW team as two separate models that just happen to be on a single base. Here's the GW errata, the answer is on the right column just before the miscellaneous

us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/gaming/FAQ/assets/imperial_guard_faq_v4-0.pdf

[Deleted]

I see. That's cool!

[Deleted]

Hmm, I've always understood it that only the loader has a lasgun. The actual gunner is too busy lugging around the heavy weapon to be able to carry or fire one. So if the Unit moves, the loaders can fire their lasrifles - but the gunners cant as they don't have any. I could be wrong, but I haven't been able to find any official precedent for assuming the loaders <i>and</i> gunners both have lasguns.

Update:
I see in the codex that it never mentions replacing the lasrifles with a heavy weapon, so I suppose you are right. Very interesting!

[Woz]

bg10117 said:

I see in the codex that it never mentions replacing the lasrifles with a heavy weapon, so I suppose you are right. Very interesting!

And thats why they both have lasguns.

(unless this has changed in the new reprinted codex).

[Deleted]

maybe the gunner has a caribeaner on his belt that he clips the weapon carriage onto... if it has wheels.

[knight (M.I.A)]

If he moves around and gets attacked:
Screw the heavy weapon. Drop it take cover and return fire with a rifle. In the Bundeswehr even artillery crews have G36, and they aren't allowed to drop them while on mission. Even when loading the artillery they have to keep it on them.

[Turtleboy(AWOL)]

I think they need to include a pack mule model with the heavy weapon team boxed set cuz that's the only fluffy way you could say that 2 dudes can cart around a gigantic heavy weapon AND shoot at the same time in my opinion (however, you guys have the rules spot on and 100% correct).

one last thing to note is that I typically consider a partial on the base as a partial on both models, or if my opponent can totally cover the base I'll give him 2 fulls. this has proven to be the least controversial method of doing it and it really works out in the wash - if one of the dudes is totally covered by the blast where he would be considered a full, it's still 2 partials unless the whole big base is covered. our opponents are typically happy to go with this cuz it means more partials for them - they just nick the big base and add 2 to their partial count

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The FAQ has the answer for that.

us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/gaming/FAQ/assets/imperial_guard_faq_v4-0.pdf

Its the bullet point just above Miscellaneous basicly the heavy weapon team counts as 2 models based together for movment.

[Deleted]

or as I did with most of my HW teams put them on seperate bases to begine with. (it also allows you to use lots of extra heavy weaposn from HW box)