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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 16, 2013 17:44:04 GMT -5
Hey all,
Looking to mine the collective wisdom of the board, as Google has failed me miserably... I'm thinking about re-basing ALL of my Guard minis--dispensing with the 1980s-1990s style of sand that is painted. I want to update the look of my minis to a more current standard as seen with the Tau and Eldar stuff I was messing with over the summer, using Stirland Mud texture paint, static grass, and painting the rims of the bases with XV88. Since my Trooper's fatigues are the old DA Green, and the sand and base rims are also DA Green, I think that introducing browns into their bases will provide more contrast and make the minis "pop."
I'm facing two routes:
1) Popping all of my minis off of their bases (most are superglued on so this shouldn't be much trouble in theory) and putting them all onto new bases. However I do worry about potentially damaging models if I do this, especially for things like my mortar teams.
2) Getting the current sand off of their existing bases and then re-painting the bases to the modern standard. This is where my question comes in: What are good ways to "re-solubilize" the PVA glue that I used to stick the sand onto the bases without damaging the paint jobs on the minis? I was thinking that perhaps heated vinegar might work? Anybody have any methods that have worked in the past?
GO!
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Post by WestRider on Dec 16, 2013 18:49:12 GMT -5
There are a few different formulations of PVA glue out there. Some of them are actually water soluble even after curing, and can be soaked off with water. GW's is not one of those, but if you didn't use GW glue, I'd definitely try soaking the bases overnight or so, and see if they start coming off, since it costs you nothing, and shouldn't damage your Models at all.
Heated vinegar would probably be the next stop.
There's also a product called "De-Glue Goo" that I've heard recommended. But I'd go with stuff you've probably got around the house before going out and buying something special purpose.
Finally, in non-chemical solutions, I've scraped sand off bases with an old box cutter blade before. Use one that's already beat to hell, because this is obviously not easy on the blade, and be careful around the feet. It's a lot of work, tho, I've only done it on a couple of models.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 16, 2013 19:17:48 GMT -5
Ah, yeah, I used Elmer's glue if that helps the thought process. Using an old beat to heck blade was another of the options I was considering in conjunction with whatever method is decided upon. Thanks!
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Post by WestRider on Dec 16, 2013 20:53:11 GMT -5
I think Elmer's is one of the ones that's supposed to be able to soak off. I'd definitely try that first.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 17, 2013 8:16:14 GMT -5
The one thing I wonder about soaking, though, is that since the sand/glue layer has a layer of paint over top of it, is if the soak would be able to penetrate and dissolve the glue?
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Post by WestRider on Dec 17, 2013 14:10:26 GMT -5
I was kind of wondering about that while failing to fall asleep last night, too. Figure you might as well try it, since unlike real soldiers, it ain't gonna hurt your dudes to stand in ankle deep water overnight.
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Post by Narric on Dec 17, 2013 17:10:01 GMT -5
I find a simple soak in Nail Varnish Remover removes PVA glued basing. which is a little annoying, as it means I have to re-based models I only wanting to re-paint Just be careful of them fumes
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 17, 2013 17:52:33 GMT -5
Um, yeah, nail varnish remover won't work (although I know it does take out PVA quite nicely) since I don't want to have to re-paint all my minis, I just want to update them bases.
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Post by Narric on Dec 18, 2013 12:44:35 GMT -5
You could try using an old/cheap toothbrush and soaking it in the nvr, then "brushing" away the glue and basing?
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 18, 2013 13:44:32 GMT -5
I think the potential for splatter onto the rest of the mini with that method would probably still kill the paintjob...
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Post by hendrik on Dec 19, 2013 7:17:33 GMT -5
instead of trying to remove the miniature from the base and potentially breaking it just cut up the old bases into smaller sections. this will prevent the miniature from breaking and the only difference is about 1mm in heigth due to the small piece of the previous base, which you can then still cut off. there's no point in preserving the old bases anyway so why risking your miniatures for them...
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 19, 2013 7:29:25 GMT -5
That is a great idea to consider! Thanks!
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Post by 3ff3ct on Dec 19, 2013 16:58:52 GMT -5
I'd soak them, or pop them off. Otherwise you have to buy new bases. Unless you're buying from me of course
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Dec 19, 2013 17:21:45 GMT -5
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