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Post by rpython on Jun 13, 2014 17:30:05 GMT -5
What sort of things do i want to be bringing in a 2500 to 3000 point game against the nids?
As far as i know i am allowed to use my Baneblade and Hellhammer but if i could use one which would you advise?
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Post by yvain on Jun 13, 2014 19:14:35 GMT -5
Hellhammer all the way.
The two big threats from Nids are MCs and the Venomthrope. The venomthrope throws an area wide 5+ cover save to units within 6 inches. The Hellhammers ignore cover 7 inch blast will be enough to annihilate those guys one shot first turn basically neutering his army.
After that he will literally be easy pickings. None of his armor saves are very good and cover is his best defense. The HH cannon will eat all of his light MCs and units like warriors that are holding his synapse line together. Pretty much anything that is not in the air will die immediately. If you kill his synapse he will have a hard time stopping his units from destroying themselves or running. Combine that with punisher pask and a few HWTs in squads and you can make short work of the MCs as well. Give all your squads flamers helps. Basically templates of any kind are your friend. Unless he bring tryannofexs with rupture cannons and hive crones he will have a tough time with your vehicles at long range. A wyvern would also be a great choice. A quad gun is a good choice because it will get through his armor of his flyers and is easy to wound with tanks to the order.
If he is playing Skyblight formation, things are different. Skyblight is OP as hell. And you will need lots of flyers and anti-flyer weapons to deal with all the air units. Those eat up points. And he will have respawning gargoyle units. It is ridiculous.
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Post by Aeon on Jun 13, 2014 23:09:16 GMT -5
At 3k points, you've got access to a TON of options. I would field at least 6 to 9 wyverns against Tyranids. Each wyvern fires 4 templates, can re roll the scatter distance, ignores cover, re rolls to wound, and has something like 60" range (have to double check that). If he's got a wall of gaunts or any other form of swarming 'nid creature, you'll tear them apart without any problem at all. Even though it's low strength, the ignore cover and shred makes it an absolute beast of a killing machine. YOu take 9 of them, you get 39 shredding, cover ignoring templates
Pask in a punisher with heavy bolters and 2 other punishers with heavy bolters in his unit will give you an amazing spearhead for your army. 87 shots per turn, all re rolling 1s to hit, and 1s to wound, and 20 of them are rending. That'll tear apart some of the tougher or higher armor save creatures that 'nids have to offer like Broodlords, tyrant guard and warriors.
The best way to deal with high armor save creatures with high toughness and lots of wounds is to blast it with bug bites, especially for those with inulvnerable saves.
And if it's apocalypse, you've got so many poitns to throw around, I would also recommend bringing a deathstrike missile. Tyranid board is most likely packed. It's a S10 AP1 apocalypse sized blast template that ignores cover as well, and is ordnance. It's cheaper than a baneblade, and you can use it to knock out a good section of his army
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Post by rpython on Jun 14, 2014 3:11:26 GMT -5
We are playing 2750 points. My list contains one LRBT,one punisher one demolsher and one vanq. Weisemann baneblade. one sqd of vets in taurox with flamers, one footslogging sqd with flamers. valk with multiple rocket pods, a vulture with twin linked punisher cannons. and a hellhammer for exactly 2750
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Post by Aeon on Jun 14, 2014 13:21:11 GMT -5
Your infantry are going to be slain almost immediately, since you don't have that many. I recommend replacing the regular infantry with veterans with camo cloaks. I also recommend making your vanquisher a paskquisher, and stick him with the regular russ, give them both camo netting, or, take an Aegis defense line. Also, make the punisher a tank commander for the 4 BS, and pair it with the demolisher
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Post by rpython on Jun 14, 2014 14:52:21 GMT -5
Okay both squads are now vets. Playing using an armoires company from IA1 ver 2
So don't have access to tank commanders but have dedicated tank HQ and the vans has beast hunter shells which have the instant death rule
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Jun 15, 2014 20:38:40 GMT -5
Okay both squads are now vets. Playing using an armoires company from IA1 ver 2 So don't have access to tank commanders but have dedicated tank HQ and the vans has beast hunter shells which have the instant death rule Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Oooh! Beast Hunter Shells?? Tell me more  Haha. A mate and I are playing a 1000pt warm up match tomorrow and then a 7500pt game on the weekend. Much excitement  My biggest problems versing him are: 1)Being unable to kill his Venomthropes 2)Deep-Stirking Badness everywhere :/ (He has one Mawloc and one Trygon) 3)2xFlying Monstrous Creatures and the Sky Blight formation  ((((( I field 3xVendettas, 1xVulture, 1xValk and 1xHydra yet he always still manages to win the air battle. Plus he has that much synapse everywhere and the way he positions his squads so that they cover an 18inch front means that he is always within range. urrrgghhhh.... |
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Jun 15, 2014 21:15:40 GMT -5
Quickly off the top of my head I can field: 3xSuper Heavies (Modelled as 1xStormlord and 2xShadowswords) 3xEradicators 3xLRMBTs 2xVanquishers (One is actually a tank hunter but hey) 2XExecutioners 2xDemolishers 1xPunisher 3xBassies 2xQuad Guns 1xManticore 1xHydra 4xChimeras 2xHellhounds 3xVendettas 1xVulture 1xValk 8xSentinels -4x w/Autocannon -4x w/H Flamer (I usually outflank these to get rid of his nutsty Biovores or any backfield synapse however it is never enough  ) 20xRough Riders -5xRR w/2xMelta -5xRR w/2xFlamer -5xRR -5xRR (Held in reserve or hiding until Mawloc/Trygon/anything deep striking appears IOT counter attack 7xPsykers (Not sure what to play them as, I have never used pskyers so any advice is much appreciated) 2xHWS LC 1xHWS Mortars 2xHWS ML 1xHWS HB 10xVet Squads -5x10 Vets w/shotguns and 3xFlamers -3x10 Vets w/3xPlasma -1x10 Vets w/3xMeltas -1x10 Vets w/3xDemo Charges and Demolitions (They are modelled as my 'Engineers' Squad-Purely for kicks -1x10 Vets w/3xSnipers, 1xHB and Harker 2x30 Guardsmen w/Commissar, Vox, 2xAC and 2xSnipers 3x20 Guardsmen w/Commissar, Vox,2xHB and 2xFlamers 1x30 Guardsmen w/Priest, Vox, and 3xFlamers 1x10 Guardsmen w/HB and GL 1xSWS w/3xPlamsa 5xCCS w/Mortar, Vox, MoO and Regimental Standard (The person I'm playing is a truly is a good mate however he is very gamey and competitive so I just wanted to spam him big time haha  ) 1xCCS w/3xPlasma and Medic 1xCCS w/Straken, Nork, Regi Standard, Medic and 2xGLA 2xPCS (Cant remember what they have, I think just Mortar) 1xPCS w/4xGLA 2x5 Stormies w/2xPlasma 2x5 Stormies w/2xMelta 4xRatlings And I think that's it. I haven't added up the points yet but we are around the same and don't really mind. We just want to play our first game of his full Nid army vs my full IG army. I also might proxy in an Aegis (7xChimera dozer blades ) and man it with the Ratlings to help with the air battle. Any advice on tactics or on how to restructure my units? Cheers |
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Jun 15, 2014 21:18:20 GMT -5
^Correction,
The 2x30 Guardsmen Squad have THREE AC and THREE Snipers, not two.
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Jun 15, 2014 21:21:20 GMT -5
Oh!
He also has a barbed and scythed Heirodule. Fun. I haven't gone up against those yet haha
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Post by rpython on Jun 16, 2014 1:39:19 GMT -5
That is going to be one hell of a fight  about 4000 odd points I guess. I'm tempted by Eradicator's are they any good there str and ap just seem too low to me I'm jealous of you three super heavies. Beast hunter shells are in str 8 ap 2 small blast instant death. So igores all armor leaving just Fnp and invul which if they fail one they die no matter what wounds they have. Great at killing demons and monsterous creatures. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk |
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Post by glutebite on Jun 17, 2014 23:27:14 GMT -5
Where are Beast Hunter shells explained? Is that IA or Apocalypse???
Trying to figure out what the rules are for them, costs, etc.
Thanks
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Post by rpython on Jun 18, 2014 0:57:53 GMT -5
IA 1 version 2. Under armored company
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Post by Aeon on Jun 18, 2014 1:30:21 GMT -5
Having problems with Venomthroaps and their damn cover saves? WYVERNS!! WYVERNS EVERYWHERE!
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Post by rpython on Jun 18, 2014 1:58:29 GMT -5
Hellhammer cannon ignore armour haha and high stress to insta kill stuff toi
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Jun 18, 2014 3:06:55 GMT -5
Having problems with Venomthroaps and their damn cover saves? WYVERNS!! WYVERNS EVERYWHERE! Haha. I might just have to proxy my three Bassies as Wyverns |
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Post by rpython on Jun 18, 2014 4:52:58 GMT -5
Lots of love for wyverns everywhere haha
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Jun 20, 2014 1:13:03 GMT -5
Hellhammer cannon ignore armour haha and high stress to insta kill stuff toi Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Damn, I only have access to IA ,5,6,7 and IA Apoc II. Care to share the stats? Haha |
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Post by Captain Zapp Brannigan on Jun 20, 2014 2:53:01 GMT -5
^Ignore my last. Got it |
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Post by rpython on Jun 20, 2014 6:48:01 GMT -5
And what do you think to them
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about 4000 odd points I guess. I'm tempted by Eradicator's are they any good there str and ap just seem too low to me