(Almost) 2K Armored Company

[The Iron Infidel]

Well howdy everybody. Started working on an armored company a while back, and I laid out a list for what I'd like at 2K. This list got a lot more viable, I think, since 7th came out, but I want to hear what you all think. It's a little fluffy in some ways, but tear it apart nonetheless.

(Prospective) Primary Detachment: Astra Militarum

HQ
Pask Command Tank (Prospective warlord): Exterminator, Multi-Melta sponsons 220pts
Squadronmate Exterminator, Multi-Melta sponsons 150pts

TROOPS
Mechanized Platoon
PCS: 4 Meltaguns, Chimera 135pts
IFSx2: Meltagun, Chimera 250pts

Infantry Plstoon
PCS: 4 Flamers 50pts
IFSx5: Grenade Launcher 275pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
Eradicator: HB sponsons 140pts

(Prospective) Non-Primary Detachment: Imperial Armor Armored Company

HQ
Command Tank LRBT: HB sponsons 180pts

ELITES
Commissar Tank LRBT: HB sponsons 180pts

TROOPS
Demolisher: 165pts
Demolisher: 165pts

1910pts total


So it's not quite the full 2K, but I'm not really sure what to add with just 90 points. I'm willing to shave off squads from the foot platoon to get more mechanized squads, or even another Leman Russ, but I'm rather happy with the amount of armor in the list as is. I have unassembled heavy weapons squads, and I was considering some Lascannons for more long range anti-tank.

Otherwise, I think it's pretty obvious what everything is intended to do. Eradicator hunts light infantry, Demolishers hit hard targets like tanks, Commissar keeps the infantry in line and provides fire support, and Pask and friend give me a pair of tanks to hunt light armor and infantry, and with the meltas in melta range can deal with heavier tanks in a pinch.

The Armored Company warlord traits are pretty bad, at least in my opinion, so that's why I went with Pask. Thoughts?

[fortresscadia]

Well Demolisher is 5 points more now I think. And isnt the general consensus these days with ordinance rules being what they are that sponsons on the ord Russes almost never being worth it. (saddens me, as I love how they look on the models) Maybe drop the sponsons and add some pintle goodness to your exterminators for more tank dakka? And while I know u have more experience than me (based on your critques of my lists), seeing that many infantry squads without a commissar, lord commissar, or standard makes me nervous as I tend to fail morale tests too often. Also maybe consider some anti air? with that many points (2000) your chances of encountering fliers is pretty high

[The Iron Infidel]

My local meta is pretty air-free. So I tend to not worry as much about it. Demolishers are still 165 in the IA army list, since it hasn't been FAQed yet.

The special rule for the commissar tank means all units within 6" get LD10, so he can hold the infantry alright I think. I also couldn't take a CCS because it would have to be my warlord, and I was going for the Pask warlord. Also, I've already built my two Russes with sponsons, and to keep everything WYSIWYG I don't mind taking the HB sponsons. I'll consider stuffing a commissar or two into the foot platoon with my extra points, I didn't really consider morale being a potential problem with so many vehicles running around. Thanks for the advice.

[Aeon]

Aeon's tear down (and friendly advice):

Coming from a fellow mech infantry player, here's what I recommend:

I. First of all, I'll address Pask. You have a 48" range anti-heavy infantry, anti-light armor gun, and a 24" range pair of anti armor sponsons. S7 isn't strong enough to penetrate some of the heavier armor in the game, although Pask does have Rending. If your goal is for him to be multi-roled, then I'd put Pask in a Punisher. Even though it's weaker, he's BS4, re rolls 1s to hit and 1s to wound, and has rending. 20 shots sure as hell beats 4 shots, plus it's the same range as the Multi meltas. I'd leave his squadron mate as an Exterminator because it won't have rending like him, and more S7 is always good.

Personally, I always run my Pask as strictly anti infantry. I put him in a Punisher with heavy bolter sponsons, and pair him with another Punisher with heavy bolter sponsons, and give them both fire barrels in case they get assaulted

II. If you want to run mechanized infantry, I recommend just using veterans without upgrades instead of a platoon. For 10 points more, you get 4 BS and access to up to 3 special weapons. You could take 2 melta guns in each squad, to kind of spread it out. If your platoon command squad get crumped, you're out by 4 melta guns, and they're all BS3. YOu need those single shot guns to be hitting more than just 50% of the time. If it's Pask being your warlord you're worried about, don't be. Tank commanders do not have the Chain of Command special rule, so Pask can indeed be your warlord by choice. You could take a mechanized company command squad with 2 to 4 meltas. It's more expensive, but you get BS4 and 2 orders per turn with higher leadership value than a platoon commander

III. Instead of running the Armored Company rules, I would just take a second detachment of Guard. Take one more mechanized squad of veterans to fill your mandatory troops choices, and for H.Q take another Tank Commander, or have that detachment's HQ be your company command squad in a Chimera. There is no rule that stats that officers from other detachments cannot give orders to other men from your primary detachment.

IV. Instead of a Commissar tank, you could just attach a commissar to all your veteran squads. It would actually save your points, and you could relatively the same effect. 1 less leadership, but more points to throw onto your other tanks and towards veterans.

V. Like Fortress said, I'd drop the sponsons on the regular russes. Get an Aegis Defense line and stick those tanks behind there, maybe with camo netting for a 3+ cover save (making your russes nigh impossible to kill). They won't ever get to fire those heavy bolters anyway, and if the main gun is destroyed, 3 heavy bolters aren't really going to make a difference anyway. At that point i'd use them to Hammer of Wrath the shet out of some dudes

VI. If you do end up taking my advice, obviously I've made some very expensive suggestions. To help you afford it, if you're not opposed to taking artillery pieces, I would drop the Eradicator, and take a Wyvern instead. It's not as strong but trust me, it hits 10 times as hard and is like half the price of a tooled up Eradicator

Here's a summary of how I'd have the list look:

Primary Detachment:

H.Q
Pask in Punisher w/ Heavy bolters
200
squadron mate: Punisher w/ heavy bolters

H.Q:
Company Command squad in chimera
4x melta guns
165

Troops:
Veteran squad in chimera
2x melta guns
Commissar
170

Troops:
Veteran squad in chimera
2x melta guns
Commissar
170

Heavy support:
3x Wyvern w/ camo netting
(won't post singular point costs, but you probably know it by heart anyway)


Secondary detachment:

H.Q:
Tank commander in Vanquisher
multi meltas
185
Squadron mate: Exterminator w/ multi meltas
150

Troops:
Veterans in Chimera
2x Melta guns
Commissar
170

Heavy Support:
2x Leman Russ Demolishers
(you know the cost)

Aegis Defense Line
50

That'll be exactly 2000 points. Plenty of twin linked, cover ignoring shots, you got your multi meltas in there, you've got 6 scoring units with 10 melta guns in the army, you got a rending punisher cannon and another punisher cannon coupled with another 18 heavy bolter shots for ultimate anti anything non-vehicle related, you've got your demolishers for killing anything under the sun at close range, and you've got a BS4 armor bane gun supported by a tank more geared for anti infantry. You've also got your Aegis wall for your wyverns to hide behind so that they'll pretty much never die

I know it's annoying to use somebody elses list, but feel completely free to influence your list based on it. Sometimes you gotta proxy stuff. I think the list I've presented here has a shet-ton more fire power than yours, and also fills in your last 80 points