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[Deleted]

As my other topic got locked before I could reply to people it thought i'll have to reply here and i think i neede to clear some things up.

Dispite what you think of me, I didnt put up those models to cause that much contraversy. I am a WWII re-enactor and part of a Waffen SS unit. I acutely aware of the horrors of war and the evil practices of the Third Reich during world war 2 and i did NOT paint them to further the National Socialist ideology, nor support its political goals, nor promote hatred, racism, or violence in any way shape or form.

But I wanted a new display army and I decided to base it of another one of my hobbies which is WWII re-enacting so decided to create and army based on the Waffen-SS.

So please don't think of me as Imature person little person who was just out to offend people and cause controvesy becasue that was not the intention of my models.

I did give out a warning about those pictures so if they offended you, im sorry but still a warning was there and you did not have to look, so please don't hold me responsible.

Thank you to all of you who gave me advice on painting, it has helped me alot.

[Deleted]

Hey mate, ure fine with me...word war II is world war II. (But if i were u...i would have chosen like a proper ww2 tabletop game)

And for all the other members...give him a break...i think his explanation summed his intentions up.

[Warmaster Stabwhiskers]

War is War, things happen, what has been done in the past cannot be changed, if your interests lie in re-enacting its fine with mi, people live and people die, its all part of the game. So if ur keen on doing it, do it, but people in the world arent as understanding, so mantain that level of understanding yourself, hey...arent the Death Korps inspired by the Germans? So i say go ahead and do what you need to do.

[knight (M.I.A)]

Death Korps of Krieg= Germans WW1
Armageddon Steel Legion = Germans WW2
Cadian Shocktroops (plastic) = modern US/NATO forces
Valhallan Ice Warriors = Soviets WW2
Tallarn Desert Raiders = Allied/Axis expidtionary forces in Africa during WW2
Preatorians = British Colonial Troops in late 19th century
Catachan Jungle Fighters = Rambo and American troops during Vietnam War
Elysian Drop Troops = Modern Special Forces, especially GIGN
Mordian Iron Guard = Modern forces in parade uniforms

[Deleted]

Ok I understand you just wanted to make a display army, but rounding up defenseless civilians and then putting them cattle cars and shipping them off to a death factory isn't war, and if you really feel so inspired by that then I think you need some help. Maybe you should research your interests a bit. And for all of you who will say 'not everyone of them was a Nazi' you had to be a die hard Nazi to join the SS. Don't confuse them with the Wermacht. You have to be sensitive to the fact that the imagery of those people stirs up the memory of the worst things humans can possibly do to each other. I know you don't understand the implications of it, you are just playing dress up with your buddies and having a good time, but to me that kind of thing means something else entirely.

[thefishki345]

hmmm well, just because you put a warning doesnt make it OK.

[Woz]

h4wky - think before you post anymore replies. No-ones having a go at you or trying to put words into your mouth.

The SS is a very touchy subject that stirs a lot of emotions.

Edelman - Not all SS were die hard Nazis.

Most people joined the SS because it was considered to be the Elite of the German armed forces. As such you were treated better, given better equipment and the girls back home loved guys in SS uniforms (this may seem daft - but to a teenage boy, unlimited "pulling power" is a damn good motive for anything).

The brainwashing came during training and once war broke out this became less important.

The standard of the men let into the SS declined as the War progressed, and some of the men in SS units at the end of the War wouldn't have even made it into the regular German army before war broke out. They even let Russians join even though they were considered subhuman (the SS were just desperate to fill units.)

In fact there was even an English unit in the SS. These were English POW's who volunteered to fight against the Russians. (They too enjoyed the “pulling power” of the SS uniform).

[9th Company]

I don`t want to talk about the SS factor as everyone already has their own opinions on them. The history of the SS speaks for itself.

One thing I noticed about your models however was how striking the shoulder pads were compared to the uniform. At first all you saw were the SS shoulder pads which I though was a shame because you have a great camoflage scheme which is overshadowed by the SS markings.

[thefishki345]

mmm now this is all getting very sensitive and emotional, some people actually can go psycho when they see anything to do with wars if they have experienced it.

[Deleted]

Blame Hitler.

[Warmaster Stabwhiskers]

Blame Hitler even More

[thefishki345]

yes blame him.

and just because the armageddons steel legion etc was based upon germans doesnt mean it _inspired_ them to do it. How could anyone possibly be inspired by people who did such things like that, they didnt get inspired by it they just copied their uniforms and altered them a bit.

[majorjav]

I think that the point here is to make a distinction between pure historical facts, military organisation and a regime deeds. As an historical, fact, choosing to re- enact SS could be seen just as curiosity for this "special' corps on a military point of view (uniforms, equipment and such) but what did happened is something different....
It can be treated exactly the same for the death Korps of Krieg or Steel legion (inspired by a revolutionnary military organisation who became a standard for most today's armies)
So if you stay in the purely military, historically facts, it is good for me,but beware of deviating towards more sensitive subjects....

As for your minis, they are well painting, the camo scheme is quite well respected but you should remove the SS signs from the shoulderpads....

[thefishki345]

yes, you a good painter, this went off topic alot due to the outbreak of comments, like I have stated before you have potential to do a great army without recieving the sensitive/angry comments.

[Deleted]

Yeh I have already start to change some of the insignia's so i can actually post pictures here without this all happening agen, the new insignia is:

SS Shoulder Pad changed to PG as in the name of my army the Panzer Grenadiers.
Swasticka changed two Unit Number.

[thefishki345]

ok, but unless you have done heaps of models already maybe think about changing the whole army alltogether but keep the paint scheme but alter it a bit.

[Woz]

Can't wait to see the new pic's.

[Deleted]

paint scheme is awesome fishki....i think the only prob is his insignia's...so after that is fixed it'll look apropriate

[thefishki345]

yep.