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Post by Colonel Grammissar Azalar on Sept 21, 2007 5:48:05 GMT -5
I want to start collecting a new army, now I have 2 guidelines.
They have to be within the Alliance rules for Apocolypse, so I cant have like Chaos fighting with my Imperial Guard.
I think I have Eldar and Tau and all other Imperial Armies [Space Marines, Deamon Hunters, Witch Hunters ]
Im just wondering what peoples views are on these armies.
I know Tau and Eldar are a stepa way from the Loyal Imperium but I will always fight for the Emperor first and then whatever second
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Sept 21, 2007 6:01:20 GMT -5
Best chances for a short alliance have the Eldar. They want to get rid of the Chaos as well, while the Tau barely know the Chaos. So the aims of the Eldar and the Imperium are somewhat similar. Oh and Azalar my IG will be fighting with CSM in Apocalypse  |
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Post by Colonel Grammissar Azalar on Sept 21, 2007 7:30:19 GMT -5
Ahh, you see Knight, Loyalist ImpGuard cannot fight with Chaos Space Marines in Apoc, due to them being mortal enemies, THOUGH!! Traitor Guard are close allies with CSM
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Sept 21, 2007 8:03:31 GMT -5
Ahh, you see Knight, Loyalist ImpGuard cannot fight with Chaos Space Marines in Apoc, due to them being mortal enemies, THOUGH!! Traitor Guard are close allies with CSM Actually, this is incorrect. If you look at the chart in the appendix you will see that while there is a hatred between loyalist guard and chaos so long as you have a good story for why the two are allied together then the apocalypse rules will allow for it. i would figure that they were fighting against each other over an artifact and a common enemy showed up in force, that neither alone would be able to defeat, would be reason fro the two to ally for a brief moment until they had defeated the common foe (e.g. 3K chaos vs 3 K guards fighting then ally against 6K nid). Battle field alliances occur all the time. |
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Post by Colonel Grammissar Azalar on Sept 21, 2007 8:14:09 GMT -5
Yes, but to be honest, I dont think its very fluffy. in my opinion I could understand Tau and Eldar allying with ImpGuard or Space Marines. but not Chaos or Dark Eldar
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Sept 21, 2007 8:19:23 GMT -5
Ohhh don't think I don't agree with you. It would be something completely out of the ordinary and there would be many formal inquisitions to find out why a loyal guard army allied itself with the chaos army. Quite possibly they would have signed their own death sentence in doing so by inquisitorial standards that they are now tainted and should be purged, but for apocalypse it would be a reason why the two actually allied on th battle field.
My own feelings would be to ally with the the inquisition itself or the SOB. Imagine the devestation of 6 exorcists and 6 immolators with a battery of 12 Basilisks and another 12 Leman russ battle tanks.
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Post by Colonel Grammissar Azalar on Sept 21, 2007 8:22:58 GMT -5
For Apoco. there is no FOC, so I can have 10 leman russes if I want.
But I was thinking about making a Deamon Hunters army, becuase they have a kool fluff story and such as.
And a Force of Grey Knights backed up by 2.5K Imperial Guard seems preeeeeety Cool
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Sept 21, 2007 8:30:13 GMT -5
add ten vindicare assassins to that as well.
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Post by Colonel Grammissar Azalar on Sept 21, 2007 8:45:53 GMT -5
2 of each more like =]
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Sept 21, 2007 12:12:27 GMT -5
Well my story for them is that my Apoc regiment was never part of the Imperium. The Word Bearers created that force with the help of cultists. So you could say that they're really similar to the Blood Pact. Just that I use the doctrine system for them since I don't like the traitor lists. And we all know that IG can be used on both sides of the table |
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Sept 22, 2007 22:59:57 GMT -5
knight that would basicly be a trader guard unit.
Never liked the doctrines myself. Too many points to pay out for my liking.
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Post by Commissar on Sept 23, 2007 0:39:39 GMT -5
I think eldar mixed with IG is pretty cool.
Do it!
DOOOO IIIIIIT!
Either that or tau.
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Post by twerd on Sept 23, 2007 2:25:54 GMT -5
what about orks
conel: i know how much you orks like to fight so over that rigde is some CSM they're better fighters as us so you can have more fun. and we will provide you with fire surpport
WarBoss: er kay deal but we get da loot
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Sept 23, 2007 3:21:46 GMT -5
No ssgtdude. Traitor Guard would be a unit that was once Imperial Guard and went over to Chaos. But a force created by some Chaos Lord wouldn't be traitorous since they were never really part of the Empire.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 22:13:56 GMT -5
So they would be heretic guard then? Or how about forsaken guard.
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Sept 24, 2007 6:22:20 GMT -5
I think heretic guard would be a good expression or chaos/renegade militia/guard
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Sept 24, 2007 7:54:39 GMT -5
regardless of what you would call them. Created by the chaos marines, or inducted into service, or even taken from a chaos world. to any loyalest to the Imperium they would still be viewed as traitors to the emperor. I do like the idea of such a unit and think that they would work well together.
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Post by Colonel Grammissar Azalar on Sept 24, 2007 13:42:49 GMT -5
They would be Loyal Guard, Just Loyal to an the Chaos Gods.
Orks and IG, with the Orks painted like IG.
Or Tau and IG with Tau in IG coloured Armour, that would be Kool.
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Post by Colonel Grammissar Azalar on Sept 28, 2007 5:50:35 GMT -5
I have decided upon that of the army of the Eldar.
Its the Warwalkers, Spirit hosts and and Jetbikes got me. =]
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 28, 2007 13:06:39 GMT -5
The imperial armour rules are kinda cool for this, as IG rules don't really convey the 'feel' of the renegade guard fluff.
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Post by Commissar on Sept 28, 2007 16:28:58 GMT -5
Bah, bunch of xeno lovin chaos strokers.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 29, 2007 8:53:45 GMT -5
I would happily switch sides if it meant I could take D6 attack feel no pain Ogryns, laspistol+ ccw armed conscripts and better psykers. As it is, I can't afford to shell out £40+ for the privildge, so meh
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