Feedback my Tournament army

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Alrighty I have a big Tourny coming up and this is the first serious guard army I am fielding in tourny play so feedback feedback feedback please

HQ is a heroic senior officer (Major Butters) with a medic, a standard vox, and a missile launcher

2x mortar squads (because they are fun, no one uses them, and psychologicly they are pretty devistating when you can hit and they cannot)

TROOPS
Inf HQ has a medic and 3 plasma guns. I use them to move and engageenemy light vehicles and annoying space marines that like to get close for assaults

2 squads both armed the same (Vox, Melta Gun, Missile Launcher)

Conscripts a-go-go (40 models 4 of which man auto cannons). They absorb INSANE ammounts of fire and keep kicking out thos 8 autocannon hits every round. BS may not be that great but law of averages says (and has proven in my last 4 games) that I will get at least 2 or more hits at that nice big strength of 7. To boot all those lasguns focused on the nearing assault squad really gives them a bad day

HEAVY
Leman Russ Demolisher armed with Hvy Bolter sides and las cannon hull weapon.

I have 82 minies on the field for a 1k game and a tank that just sucks up the fire. I have 15pts left to spend and my army has chem inhalers as one of their special gear (Will never get rid of them. Love the flavor text to much and what they do for me is just awesome).

Tactics in general are my overall HQ stands back with mortars behind the conscripts as a base of fire. I lack speed and so I do my best to advance my inf platoon in with my Leman Russ under mortar support. My conscripts go dreadnaught/lt vehicle/devastator hunting as that many auto cannons always tend to do something.

SO HIT ME WITH FEED BACK PEOPLE. I have 15 pts to spend and less than a week to do it. Aside from speed what am I missing and how can I get it.

[Turtleboy(AWOL)]

looks good but I worry about your mobility and ability to take objectives to be honest. it's really hard to fix in a 1k tourney since chimerae are so expensive (100pts ea. pretty much) and the squads tend to add up if done right (grenadiers so they get saves).

list looks pretty solid however, good luck!

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it's a decent army list, have you play tested it yet ?I like to play test an army a few towns away from mine when i'm going to use a new tourney list.Heck, i live in upstate NY and i went to a philladelphia GW store to playtest an army( i was in the area on vacation and got a chance to play lol ).

I would have to agree with Turtle though, a chimera in the army COULD give you some much needed mobility to take objectives.If ou are planning to just sit back and shoot this is a decent army but if there will be objectives then advancing behind a tank is a great tactic.

hope that helps

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The mobility issue is one I am aware of but am lost for idea's as to what to cut. Everything serves a purpose and droping the conscripts down any more would make them worthless in my eyes. I would have to drop two squads of them and thus two auto cannons droping the ammount of firepower down alot and making them run off the board much faster. I am open to ideas.

As for if I have played it yes. Tyranids are not much of a problem and the two marine armies I have played against have learned they cannot slugfest with me because the conscripts are just going to keep pounding away each turn. Have not tryed vs Tau yet and the two games I have a played vs eldar have been 1 and 1 (a nale biter both times).

So far the only one I feel I really have to worry about is the eldar as they are fast and howling banshee's seems to be the thing up here. Once my conscripts are engaged their LD drops from the command squad down to their normal crap LD of 5. Pulling conscripts from the front as casualties helps buy me some time but that does not change the fact that if they are assaulted they are royaly screwed (its like watching fire warriors get assaulted by genesteelers).

The 15 pts I have left I am considering getting a spot light and heavy stubber for the tank and hand off a pair of bolters to my two officers.

Thoughts?

[Turtleboy(AWOL)]

the conscripts shouldn't lose all leadership once they get into melee, you can still use an officer within the normal leadership bubble radius to boost their morale unless I have misread something along the way.

P.S.: I'm moving this to the armylists section of the forum

[Mabus]

Do you really need all those plasma guns in the command squad? cut one out and that's an extra 10 points to play with. Have you got a normal Leman Russ model? if so, use it. It's cheaper than the Demolisher. Think about it, if you save 20 those points and combine them with the 15 you already have spare you have enough for three independant commisars! use one with the conscripts and the othe two where ever. Say good-bye to Ld 5 and Hello Ld 10!

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Yes I need all that plasma. Combined with the medic its a great way to ensure you are going to drop marines, especially since the command squad is so small. Primaraly they double tap/rapid fire into squads that get close or take long range shots a lite vehicles and what have you. The ammount of fire they kick out close up ensures I am going to hit something and against marine players killing off 3 from a squad on the average is a big difference.

My tank is/was a demolisher with side bolters, hull las cannon, and a hvy stubber (and a search light that I used 2 out of 3 games ;D). No way I would drop it down to a normal russ as everything is pretty much in range of the big gun anyway. Paying only 10pts for the extra main weapon strength and higher armor all around (even on the rear) is well worth it to me. The fact that plasma can only glance the sides and its a tank that has no chance to pop if a marine charges/shoots it from behind makes me feel that I got my money's worth.

What can I say, the demolisher is just a higher quality tank in my book.

My post battle report now follows
Game one was vs marines who had a vindicator, predator and a devestator unit with two hvy bolters and a hvy plasma cannon. It was a bad game as I could not seem to crack armor 13 with my missles or auto cannons. He mowed me down. My tank and mortars paid for themselves and held the left table quadrant wonderfuly till turn 4. Turn 4 all my plasma guns overheated (5 out of 6 shots) and my medic just steped around the piles of goo. This was shortly after my tank took a glance to the side from a last attempt to stop it with a plasma gun. It went away as well as the left quadrant that turn. That cost me the game.

Game two was vs a fellow guard player who brought two leman russ tanks and a hell hound. Tank god I imobilised that Hell hound turn 1. He had never seen mortars before and afterwards could only stare at them asking how many points they were and if I had any mortars left over I would trade for . I won without my tank being damaged or any of my squads even near half strength. All 3 of his tanks were imobile, smoking, and he had 1 storm trooper left in his army (even his command squad ran away)

Game three was a city fight vs Nurgle Marines. That sucked as my opponent really knew what he was doing and did not just "move to attack" as so many players can be counted on doing. He laughed at my two squads of mortars... and then they started firing. By end of the game he agreed that mortars are not as stupid as he thought. This game was a draw as he was able to get a squad into my deployment zone on the recon mission that was 1 away from being a non scoring unit.

All in all I am pleased with how my army worked. I like all those auto cannons but I think they were a bit much. I could have gotten away with only 30 conscripts I feel and thus 3 auto cannons giving me 60 pts to toy with.

My army was way to static and had serious problems dealing with armor. As cool as melta guns are, for some reason people just dont drive vehicles near that squad. So my army is growing as such.

Conscripts get cut down to 20 men with indi commisar and two flamers (not standing around any more). My plasma gun squad gets a melta gun swap and a indi comissar (and some plasma pistols for him and the medic) as well as a chimera to get them into trouble. The tank gets more upgrades as the side sponsons now sport multimelta's and the hull las cannon becomes a hvy bolter. Dropping both mortar squads and picking up a hellhound.

The plan next go will be the chimera and hellhound advance under fire support from the tank who will be my primary tank hunter. The conscripts move to and burn down advancing infantry as I move up my infantry with them. Thinking about buying my overall command squad a las cannon or to tool them for plasma support.

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[Mabus]

Commisars!