IG Issues

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I am still having growing pains with my army. I have been able to shake off most of the marine style tactics (walking in the open and planning on hitting when shooting) but their are still some area I would like to get some fresh perspective on

Here are my doctorin picked
Consrcipts, Rough riders, Indipendent Commissars, Light Infantry (just picked it up), and Chem Inhalers (never getting rid of that one).

I am open to ideas for others doc's but mostly I am looking at keeping with the theme of chaos or out of imperium faction using drugs to cow their forces and inhance performance on the battle field

conscripts are just hooked enough to be finally issued a las but have not proven themselves enough to be given a steady supply of drugs. They are usually going through withdrawls and have the shakes. Indi commissars are my operational overseers. They monitor chem intake and compile on site data about performance. The rest is negotiable. With that... meat and potatoe time

Assaults are killing me in more ways than one. I need to stop them or stomp them out before they begin. Rough riders help, but are one shot and I hate holding them back as a counter assault unit (dont like feeling I am wasting all that speed). If I am to close together they follow right up into my next unit. To far apart and I cannot bring more fire to bear on them before they assault. Regrettably my chem inhalers tend to keep my guys around long enough to die off in my turn giving my opponent a consolodation move towards me followed by his standard turn of advancing and slapping me around in shooting/assault

Vet sgt's. I cannot give them power weapons and all they really seem to do is lend another point of LD to the unit and an extra attack. Am I overlooking something here? Are they really worth it? What could I do with them aside from a storm bolter or plasma pistol

In my 1k army list I have a Leman Russ demolisher as my primary tank. Side sponsons are multimeltas. It has paid off in spades with both fire soak and ability to pop enemy vehicles. Rough riders tend to be what keeps it safe from assault as they use it for cover and charge out when the marines get close.

We are looking at the next 500pts and I need ideas. I am posting my army list under "The Crimson Brotherhood". All idea's are welcome. I am still looking for that balance between firepower and mobility. So far I have either been to static or taken apart piece meal. I am giving the LT Infantry a try in the hopes of getting things in range of the melta's and be competative for objectives.

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Well, i too was pretty anoyed with assults, and i always got ripped apart by my fiends space marines. How i set up my army is i use the Close Order Drill, this bumps up there initiative alowing them to attack at the same time as the space marines and not waste valuable attacks, it also adds leadership to the squad.

I actually also use vetren srgs, i like the for the high leaders ship (and when combined with close order a really high leadership) and what i like to do is actually give them a demolition charge. What i do is if the enemy gets a little to close i counter charge i move up, toss the demo charge at them , and then soon get into CC gaining charging bonuses and attacking at the same time thanks to close order.

[sammy1979]

now im looking at your tactics and there good but there almost elder like in your aproach you realy want to keep your enemy 10 inchs away at all times the optomen distance for IG i found use heavy bolters and autoguns there the guards main killerrs coupled with mass las fire you realy want to avoid mano e mano stuff with IG its just not the thin. shoot the crap out of your opponent dont go toe to toe. use your demolisher and rough riders to shock stop the enemy then shoot them to hell

[Woz]

I use firepower to cut my opponent down. If any of his units do make it into assault then there's normally so few of them left to cause much of a problem.

I use ogryns to counter assault but in general I don't go looking for fist fights. IG's strength is its firepower so I use it to the max. They suck in CC so there's no point in trying to make up a CC army, if you do it'll only ever be an average CC army.

[sammy1979]

like woz says the IG's killings done by mid range rapid fire close combat just not worth it you'll lose way more then you win, the only time you need to close with the enemy is tau every bugger else can come to you and get there ass shot off never close jesus how long do you think you'll last in CC against termies,chaos or nids. the key to it all is more dakka dakka i've got a some auto cannon that do some hard ass killing against most things, ogryn and Rough Riders can be used to keep every one from getting to close

[twerd]

the best counter charges are orgyn or fough riders. close order and harden fighters work well together esppellicy agianst orks and guants