2 Russes vs 2 Basilisks

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I'm designing my army and i can't decide between going with two Russes (One regular and one Exterminator)plus one basilisk, or with 2 basilisks and the regular Russ.

Any Suggestions?

[acolyte]

exterminators are ace. i love them and only played once with it up to just. its mobile fire at its best (rare in guard) russes tend to be stationary cos of ord.

depends what else you take. if you can afford a hellhound or 2 get the bassies, otherwise id go 2 russes but thats just he, i hate scatter weapons lol

[inquisitorpravious]

I would personally go with 1 Exterminator (with hull and sponson heavy bolters) and 1 Russ. Then I would drop the Basilisk and use a Hellhound instead.

The Exterminator can move 6" and unload alot of ammo in to a squad (9 HB's and 2 AC shots with rerolls). The Hellhound is one of the best tanks available for the IG. Remember that the template can be orientated in any direction (providing it is in range and line of sight)! Anything that isn't taken out by flame can be hit with the hull HB.

The Russ doesn't need to be static but all of mine have HB sponsons and las cannons which I use more often that the battle cannon.

[Commissar]

Go with Russ, load them up with HB and Heavy Stubbers, that is an unstoppable wall of anti-infantry fire, with enough AT-fire to knock out any armoured problems you might encounter.

[Colonel Scipio]

I have two Basilisks, a Leman Russ and a Laser Destroyer. I mix and match as I need to depending on my opponent, but to be honest I most often use the two basilisks. There's no substitute for slamming down a hefty shell on the enemy commander in the first turn

[Deleted]

Anyone fielded 3 russes? Im thinking of buying the boxed set with three russes.

[Deleted]

there good and i used to go with a load out of 2 russes and a bassie but lately and you may want to look into this ive been running a heavy anti vehicle platoon and 2 russes. heavy weapon platoons are often not used but thats a load more heavy weapons then 3 russes

[ssgtdude (M.I.A)]

INquisitorpravious, your tactic for the hellhound fits current rules, but in fifth Ed you will loose the ability to fire the HB after firing the inferno cannon if you move (At least until our codex comes out).

My suggestion is two Bassie and a LR (variant of choice).

During set up the LR is placed as far up in the center as possible. Even if you are starting your deployment second it forces the other player to then alter his tactics to counter the threat. It will and should become a magnate for heavy fire power. If he is shooting at your LR he is not shooting at other things that can do just as much if not more damage.

Use the Bassies in opposite corners of your deployment so that you can cover the entire field with ID fire.

Emperor be with you.

[ghostmaker]

Bask are sweet my Down fall in regular games 36 in . Min range

Like russes for surving and amount of fire displaced

Bask is great for a mega game take them all the time in a mega game. 240 in' is so sweet.

[ssgtdude (M.I.A)]

ghostmaker the 36 min range is only for indirect fire. If you have line of sight you can roll the shot right out in front of the troops trying to assault your bassie if you want. There is no minimum range for direct fire.

Just to clearify and not sound like a complete tool about it as this seems to be a common misconseption. Indirect fire is an upgrade once taken does not mean that you are limited to only using the indirect fire. Any model inside of the minimum range can still be targeted as long as you have clear LOS.

[Mabus]

Oh well in that case I'll definately be getting those two Bombards I've been deliberating over! Thanks Staff-Sergeant dude!

[Sen.Kerry]

Jun 27, 2008 10:44:07 GMT -5 ssgtdude (M.I.A) said:

Just to clearify and not sound like a complete tool about it as this seems to be a common misconseption. Indirect fire is an upgrade once taken does not mean that you are limited to only using the indirect fire. Any model inside of the minimum range can still be targeted as long as you have clear LOS.

Oh, I love you for clarifying that. Well, as much a man can love another man without meeting him or it becoming socially awkward. My friends are in for a world of hurt, because they normally decide to deploy short.

[Deleted]

i would personally vie for 3 lemun russes (if you have them) its like taking a mini-armoured company into the game....if you want really really really cheap LR's.....take hull mounted heavy bolter and a heavy stubber along with extra armour and rough terrain mod. you're looking at 167pnts....multiplied by 3 takes it to 501pnts.....leaving plenty more points for infantry.....

anyways....whatever decision you make....no matter what, the enemies of the imperium WILL fall to you awesome firepower

[Sen.Kerry]

Well, in all honesty, I would use at least one basilisk. Why? Because if you can hit with them, they will annihilate anything. Just recently in a 600 point game, my bassilisk took down 1 tau hammer head, 18 Fire warriors, 10 kroot, and 2 broadsides before being taken out by a deepstriking crysis suit.

[Woz]

Killer combo-

Bassie in one corner sitting behind a LR Demol'

The Demol's soaks up enemy fire and can hit short - mid range targets with its demol' cannon, plasma cannons and las cannon, and the Bassie can hit the long range targets.

And it's always a good idea to stick some troops nearby.

[Kassill]

hmmmmm.........im thinking bassie now..............or demolisher............or exterminator...........ARGHHHHHH!!!!!!

[Deleted]

5th edition rules it says that you can fire one main weapon if you move. Main weapons are str 5 and up. So if you move a russ, you can fire one heavy bolter. One.

If you can't decide on what to get, buy them all and write up different lists for each.

I have multiple guard lists, but my main uses 2 russ and 3 chimeras. 2000pts of course. But i flesh it out with doctrines and heavy weapons.

If you have the points go with 2 russ's. it gives you way more options rather than sit and shoot. If you pack in too many tanks your list gets too bottom heavy, and thats a lot of points to pour into one thing. 155 can buy you plenty of things.

I wish I could field all my tanks in every game. I love, absolutely love my tanks.

A note on that indirect fire rule, if you buy an upgrade, i'm pretty sure you have to use it all the time. If you give an officer a powerfist, you can't just choose when you want to use it. Or frag grenades. All upgrades have their drawbacks, if they didn't they'd
be unfair.

Please god someone prove me wrong on that one, indirect fire having a minimum range is such a let down!

[Deleted]

P.58 of the 5th ed. rules--vehicle-mounted barrage weapons may always elect to fire in direct-fire mode, if there is a target within LOS.

[Rolling Thunder]

Duh, that much is obvious. Common sense really.

Anyhow... the demolisher. Is it awesome, or is it awesome?

[ssgtdude (M.I.A)]

Jul 21, 2008 12:34:55 GMT -5 @cadia12rct said:

P.58 of the 5th ed. rules--vehicle-mounted barrage weapons may always elect to fire in direct-fire mode, if there is a target within LOS.

Which is why you place the Bassie behind hard cover and not a forest.

Then and only when you need to make a facing move during the firing phase will you need to go with the direct fire mode.

Remember the Arc of fire. That is where the the field of view. If a unit is on the side and outside that arc of fire then it is not LOS until you face towards it. LOS is drawn from the barrel.

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i decided to go with 2 russ, 1 basilisk in a recent battle with a marine force. They deployed 2 vindicators next to each other, and the first shot of the game from the basilisk hit both of them, stunning them in place. Over the rest of the game, it managed to take out both, and a swarm of marines. The russes absorbed fire, and one destoryed a third vindicator before it turned my basilisk into a smoldering ruin.

I think if i had subsituted another 'lisk for the second russ, i probably would have lost at least one of them. As it was, i managed to keep all 3 hvy support units alive until the end of the game.

Looks like i'll probably keep that formation against all but infantry heavy armies.

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Aug 31, 2008 15:23:53 GMT -5 @darkgeneral said:

i decided to go with 2 russ, 1 basilisk in a recent battle with a marine force. They deployed 2 vindicators next to each other, and the first shot of the game from the basilisk hit both of them, stunning them in place. Over the rest of the game, it managed to take out both, and a swarm of marines. The russes absorbed fire, and one destoryed a third vindicator before it turned my basilisk into a smoldering ruin.

I think if i had subsituted another 'lisk for the second russ, i probably would have lost at least one of them. As it was, i managed to keep all 3 hvy support units alive until the end of the game.

Looks like i'll probably keep that formation against all but infantry heavy armies.

IMO you can never have enough russies, bassies should only serve to cause chaos to the enemies rear area.