Cadian To Preatorian Pheonix Club Project

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Some of you might remember the Pheonix Club from last years female Cadian project. Some of you might have even got involved in it. Well over at the club we are starting a new project, which focuses on producing parts to convert Cadians into Praetorians.

You can find the discussion thread here:

thephoenixwargamersclub.com/forums/...er=asc&start=75

and for those of you interested in the sculpting you can go to Col. Gravis' website here:

colgravis.blogspot.com/

So just pop on by, we are always looking for members.

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That's a pretty epic project...

[knight (M.I.A)]

And they shouldn't get caught by GW (unless they have the liscence of course) since if I remember correctly the production and sale of conversion kits for GW minis was erm... yes, you know what I want to say...

[Mabus]

We aren't psychic, but I think I can guess.....

[ColGravis]

Hmm heres the correct link to the Phoexnic Club thread relating to the project

thephoenixwargamersclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=62

As to the legalality, my understanding of it is limited however as its been explained to me this is not a commercial conversion kit, that is what is banned by GW without licence, the Phoenix Club gets a group of hobbiest's together who are interested in a common project, they pool funding for a sculptor and then casting of a limited run of models, those who put in get out.

Previous projects have included a run of female cadians, with current projects including an accessory pack and some roughriders mounted on Moa's. The big difference for the Praetorian Projects is I'm doing the sculpting at no charge rather then hireing in a professional sculptor, hence the cost will be lower.

[knight (M.I.A)]

As far as I know just the mass production and distrubition of conversion kits is already illegal, regardless you take money for it or not. And to be honest the females didn't look that good since all their propotions were wrong and they used the arms of original Cadians. (for all those who will complain now: Yes I'm sculpting myself and know how difficult it is to get right proportions) And their faces looked like beauty pagent models, but and therefore not like they should be in the army.

And this is part of the GW legal website: "Your conversions should be one-time, unique masterpieces of hobby goodness. Do not create a production run of conversions for sale. Whilst infringing our IP, this is also simply not hobby."

[ColGravis]

Well GW was aware of the Female Cadians, and as far as I'm aware no cease and desist notice or other approach was made, that said I was'nt involved in that particular project, that was the work of a professional sculptor (and yet to a certain extent I share your thoughts over them, theres a reason I did'nt buy any lol)

[knight (M.I.A)]

He should have watched for size a bit more and torso proportions. I have no problem with long legs, but not if the long legs go directly over to the breasts and get along with oversized male arms. And either the faces looked like beauty pagent models or like if a face eater from the underhive was at it...
I also saw the problems with their minis. Even the simpliest machine for production of minis costs around 1000€...

[ColGravis]

knight said:

He should have watched for size a bit more and torso proportions. I have no problem with long legs, but not if the long legs go directly over to the breasts and get along with oversized male arms. And either the faces looked like beauty pagent models or like if a face eater from the underhive was at it...

Aye, though to some extent I think the features being so um prominent for want of a better word was down to audience, big hips, big boobs, highly femine faces, but there ya go.

I also saw the problems with their minis. Even the simpliest machine for production of minis costs around 1000€...

You've lost me there, what do you mean?

[knight (M.I.A)]

for good results you need special equipment. the most common are centrifugal cast machines. due to the centrifugal movement the moulds get filled completely and air bubbles shouldn't be an issue. but the cheapest of those machines already cost a lot.

some faces were really femine and beautiful but others damn ugly. but nothing between...

[ColGravis]

Ah got ya, well true for the best results you do, though I've done some quite adepquate casting with nothing more then a $50 starter set and some lego sculpting and casting my own Roughriders (though I was never really happy with them, but thats more on accounts of some fairly basic errors in my first complete sculpts).

That aside, at least a couple of the Phoenix Club members do have a good casting set up with professional gear, I believe the first batch of Female Cadians were contracted out to a casting company meanwhile (though IIRC the results were less then satisfactory).

[knight (M.I.A)]

Yeah I have to admit I saw some really nice stuff on that site. And the females really suffered a bit from the bad greens.
Actually I find it easier to sculpt for fantasy than for 40k. Until my skills are good enough, I'll stick to fantasy minis since their armour provides more edges and less clothing

[Rolling Thunder]

If GW does not cater for a market sector of 40K, then the hobbiest must. Thats what we call capitalism- competition.

[knight (M.I.A)]

Yes. But 40k is GW's property and if you use it without their ok, it can get really expensive.
So if you want to compete with them, you'll have to create your own line of minis, that don't look like they're from GW. If you start to compete with them with minis that look like theirs you'll most likely have their lawyers after you. so without their ok, it might end really expensive. And copyright infringement isn't some minor crime in most countries...

[ColGravis]

Aye, commerically if you use their IP your gonna get hit, even as non-profit making we're on dodgey ground really, but thus far the going is still good so we'll plough on - that said even if it wer'nt the Phoenix Club I'd do the Roughriders at least for myself, I did one version before but was'nt happy with em, the Guardsmen bits are slowly taking shape though.

or would be here except for some reason the link wont work lol, keeps inserting a space for some reason, just copy paste this into your brower an remove the space

img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/colgravis/New%20Praetorian%20Work%20In%20Progress/Praetorian%20Conversion%20Kit/DSCF1767b.jpg

[knight (M.I.A)]

The torso looks good. But you should add a stock to the lasgun (if it isn't planned already)
Another thing is the head. A trimmed down Cadian head just doesn't look right. It looks too modern and more like GDR troops than Preatorians.

And btw who's the lady on the left?! ;P

[ColGravis]

Aye the arms are WIP, the stock has since been added, as well as the missing hand there, the head is just to help define scale for the moment, I'm still experimenting with getting faces I'm happy with, but there will eventually be three different heads, two clean shaven one with a closed mouth, one open and a bearded head.

lol do excuse the cadian for scale something thats been languishing in my bits box lol

[knight (M.I.A)]

Well it looks more like your Cadian force is hading out lipsticks to their troops and actually wants them to use the lipsticks. red lips look horrible. I only give the lips extra colour if they're on females. So one of my necromancers has black lips. otherise lips are in skincolour just a bit lighter or darker, depending on the skin colour