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Post by Turtleboy(AWOL) on Jul 16, 2008 9:35:54 GMT -5
I just read something awesome in the 5th ed. rulebook. gone are the days where our enemies can consolidate from one vanquished squad into a new squad. this means we'll have an easier time of getting shooting opportunities vs. our enemies when they're running amuck in our lines  chem inhalers is the 5th ed. doctrine of the day  |
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Post by fatuous on Jul 16, 2008 10:16:35 GMT -5
Oh it's a beutiful day nest change in the rules yet i think |
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Post by Sen.Kerry on Jul 16, 2008 11:59:31 GMT -5
I hear the mighty Whining CC voice in the sky already...
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Jul 16, 2008 12:40:45 GMT -5
Thank the dark gods that all CSM come with Boltgun, Bolt Pistol, and CC weapon these days and Terminators don't care anyways. Yes, those might become fun days
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 16, 2008 13:25:37 GMT -5
Say hello to my lil' fren'!
(Messrs Demo charge and Herr Demolisher cannon.)
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Post by The Refined Gentleman (M.I.A) on Jul 16, 2008 16:17:46 GMT -5
Oh there is a god!!! ;D ;D ;D I'm a happy person now! |
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Post by Turtleboy(AWOL) on Jul 17, 2008 10:31:07 GMT -5
the only thing to ABSOLUTELY watch out for is letting our opponents get charge range on multiple squads. In the 5th edition rules, you MUST charge ALL enemy units within range if at all possible. I'm gonna re-iterate this fact for a while on these forums, so if you get tired of me saying this, please understand it's just to get the word out well enough but..... In 5th edition, your leadership modifier for losing combat is the number of unsaved wounds the loser took BEYOND what the winner sustained. so if I cause 1 wound but take 7 then my leadership test for all involved units is -6. This is a KILLER since sweeping advance is still in play and guard don't have the most elite initiative. The way around this HUGE disadvantage is thru using the doctrine special equipment: chem inhalers. take that and you never get penalties for morale suddenly instead of being reduced to Ld3 (like in the above example), you STAY AT LD9. This really seems like the only way to survive the melee side of the game in 5th for IG. It also keeps open the method of play which relies on pre-emptively throwing a squad of guardsmen at an enemy to tie his troops up during his own turn. so they break free in HIS TURN allowing you to gun them all down. The addition of 'cannot consolidate into a new combat' means that this tactic is made MORE effective, but is MORE reliant (if not completely reliant) on chem inhalers to actually pull off. The flip side is that you just allow the enemy to move, shoot you, then assault you in his turn and just take the beating, knowing he can't consolidate into a new combat. this strategy is valid but you allow your opponent into your ranks which is just generally bad because it will become increasingly difficult almost immediately to prevent him from making charges into multiple units. with the chem-inhalers/sacrificial squad strategy, you're talking about stalling your opponent's assaulters from the beginning and depriving him of his ability to move, shoot, and make his assault move; instead giving him only the ability to finish off a couple surviving guardsmen and make his consolidation into the open where he may be gunned down further |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 17, 2008 12:25:03 GMT -5
There goes another ten points instead of iron discipline...
Hell, I'll just suck it up and take the squad ebing wiped out.
This is mercenary guard radio. Home of the demo charge. Home of the bayonet rush. Home of the slowride..
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Jul 17, 2008 13:49:47 GMT -5
YES, YES, YES, YES, YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
That felt good.
That will be the best times ever for my Slaanesh CSM. Assault me all you people out there. Face my I5+ CSM and let me rip you apart when you have to assault me...
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Post by Count Elakor on Jul 22, 2008 13:52:39 GMT -5
or you can get owerwhelmed by somwhat 60 conscripts and drown in bodys.
then have survivors get masacerd by about 100 lasguns. can you bring those numbers to the board?
VICTORY IN NUMBERS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2008 2:05:04 GMT -5
I am very excited about this rule change, but I think it is ridiculous that they've kept sweeping advance in there. That is one of the most aggravating rules I can think of.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 5, 2008 15:33:28 GMT -5
halcyon as far as I know they still have to stop an inch from your models on a sweeping advance. Anyone with the rule book handy able to verify?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2008 15:38:51 GMT -5
good point, I'd check my 5th ed. rule book, but UPS is taking forever to deliver it |
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Post by Sen.Kerry on Aug 5, 2008 16:26:02 GMT -5
Consolidating models must stop 1" away from all enemy models.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Aug 5, 2008 16:31:01 GMT -5
Consolidating models must stop 1" away from all enemy models. Does that include sweeping advances? |
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Post by Sen.Kerry on Aug 5, 2008 21:48:36 GMT -5
Wasnt under sweeping advances heading. No limits under sweeping advances.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 2:01:38 GMT -5
dayem....looks like close order drill is going to be common amongst guard players am i not correct?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 7:33:45 GMT -5
see my battle report.it saved my butt.turned 2 "defeat situations" in win in 1 game!!!
guard benefits in 5th:
a)no consolidation of enemies.HUGE boost.
b)new flamer/blast rules.very good boost.
c)2 of 3 scenarios need troops.though guard troops are not good for taking objectives,if guard desn't want someone to have troops left, he simply doesn't -the other guy then plays for the tie.this has been practically confirmed.even in a game where my opponent had 6 troops.taking down troops was never difficult for us-only taking down uber-specialist elites was.ULTRA-HUGE boost.
d)run.this is NOT a drawback.most foes had fleet or other mobility already-nids, eldar, dark eldar, orks waaagh!, etc.
the only change is that now guard can move away from cc if they really need to-other guy rolls d6, we roll d6. fair-or at least better than before.good small boost, better for objective games.
e)tanks damage table:it RULES.period.
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Post by lordcastellenjon on Aug 8, 2008 5:25:32 GMT -5
yup with the new tank damage system I went out and got my first lemann russ battle cannon pattern tank ^^ but yeah there are a lot of new rules that help us now so smurfs rush us if you dare me got plama waitin for yeah 4 blast weapons (that is soon to be 6 ^^ and then Iam gona get a lot of plas gun's just for the ainti smurfness and... if Iam not mistaken they are ap2 so that canes termies too happpy days for the lines men |
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Post by The Refined Gentleman (M.I.A) on Aug 8, 2008 5:57:42 GMT -5
FOR THE EMPORER!
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