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Post by zumbaz on Jul 21, 2008 6:26:52 GMT -5
You still hit them at 6's as far as I know. but now with the new vehicle damaging chart, do you always count he result -2 as with a glancing hit or do you just use the old glancing hit table?
Thanks in forward, zumbaz
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2008 15:20:54 GMT -5
Well, Currently the most recent rules for flyers are in the 40k:Apoc book. They use the normal Rulebook table unless they are a superheavy, then they use the Apoc Super-heavy table.
I dont have my Reloaded book yet, it may update, but I suspect that you will continue to use the rulebook table.
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Post by chromepip on Jul 21, 2008 16:34:19 GMT -5
Given that this is the Tanks thread, I am not sure if Zumbaz was referring to skimmers or actual flyers?
the apoc book states that flyers act like skimmers moving over 12", so all pens become glancing. so yeah, -2 for the result. and you have to hit on sixes. it actually says this, i just paraphrased (pg 94). remember that this book came out before 5th ed.
if talking about skimmers, in 5th, then there are no modifiers to the shot or to the damage table. but if the skimmer moves at flat out, then it gains a 4+ cover save.
But remember that in both cases, if an immobalized is rolled it still crashes.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Jul 21, 2008 16:46:24 GMT -5
Read the apoc book again that is not what it says about flyers. That is what it says about flyers that can hover (Like the Vulture, and Valkrie as examples).
Flyers have a must move speed in apoc (36") that and the explanation of how they have altitude is given for the 12" decrease on weapons that are not rated as Anti-aricraft.
I have yet to see a reason for not keeping a Vulture moving at 36" each round since you are able to change facing mid air and do a 180 if you wanted. Who cares about the G's you pull. Also makes bombing runs fairly interesting.
Would love to see them refine these rules a bit.
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Post by zumbaz on Jul 21, 2008 18:02:07 GMT -5
Well, Currently the most recent rules for flyers are in the 40k:Apoc book. They use the normal Rulebook table unless they are a super heavy, then they use the Apoc Super-heavy table. I don't have my Reloaded book yet, it may update, but I suspect that you will continue to use the rulebook table. Thanks but which rulebook do you mean exactly with the ''normal'' rulebook table? The one in 4th or 5th? Oh and I was talking about Flyers not skimmers. Correct me if I'm wrong; -- Vulture gunships and Valkyrie's have the option to hover (VTOL hover mode) but as long it's not activated they work and count as normal flyers? -- And as far as I know the flyer rules are that they always get glancing hits no matter what. You're all talking about the ''apoc book'' which I don't own and which I don't play. I'm playing just regular 40k here. So can anybody give me a clear answer on this one, or advise? So far I couldn't make up a clear answer out of the comments (my English isn't that well, I am sorry) So in short; ''Do you use (or which one would you advise) the vehicle damaging chart from the 4th or 5th?'' zumbaz |
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Post by chromepip on Jul 21, 2008 22:33:10 GMT -5
Read the apoc book again that is not what it says about flyers. That is what it says about flyers that can hover (Like the Vulture, and Valkrie as examples). I was reading the book. take a closer look, i wasn't talking about movement. Under - Shooting at Flyers (pg 94) To answer your question Zumbaz, the Apoc Chart is pretty much the same as the 5th edition one. so just use the one from 5th, like Ansteadt said. |
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Post by zumbaz on Jul 22, 2008 3:29:15 GMT -5
right, thank you very much, so that does mean that a flyer can only be killed with a damage roll of 6? (-2 results in immobilized)
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Post by newcomer on Jul 22, 2008 17:52:33 GMT -5
apparently hahaha
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2008 1:55:38 GMT -5
Thats the way im reading it! dang, a 6 to hit and a 6 to down? thats mean. AA guns are practically necessary now.
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Post by zumbaz on Jul 23, 2008 3:19:39 GMT -5
Hell yeah, let's bring on the flyers then ;D
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Post by chromepip on Jul 23, 2008 11:42:05 GMT -5
But how often do you actually fight against flyers? i mean, one of the tenants of flyers is that they are only allowed when your opponent agrees to it, unless you are playing Apoc, in which case anything goes. So you have to ask permission, to use them.
i have built 2 flyers, used them in Apoc battles, but i have never had a game against one.
Note: rumors say that if the Valkyrie is added to the next IG codex, it will be a skimmer, not a flyer.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Jul 23, 2008 16:40:17 GMT -5
The only solace with that is that the valk will get a nice move out of it.
Sounds like with it we will loose the ability to leave and reenter the table as well.
There are some cool things about Apoc I like and that is one of them for the flyers.
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