Imperial Guard 5th ed matches & Comments.

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I share some of my most important 5th ed experiences with my fellow guardsmen and contemplate on guard 5th ed. tactics.

Game:Pitched Battle-Secure & Control(the 2 objectives 1 in each deployment zone one, not sure if name is correct.)1500 points.
Imperial Guard vs. Eldar.

Eldar List:
HQ:
Maugan Ra
Avatar
ELITES:
6 Fire Dragons, exarch with krack shot & firepike

TROOPS:
5 jetbikes & Warlock with destructor
10 Dire Avengers
5 Rangers, pathfinders
12 Guardians & lance & Warlock with Conceal.

HEAVY SUPPORT:
Wraithlord, Bright lance, missile
Wraithlord, Bright lance, missile
HoloFalcon

My list:
HQ:
HSO,power weapon, plasma pistol, iron discipline, carapace
Commissar, power weapon, plasma pistol, carapace
Command Squad, vox, 2 plasma
Chimera, smoke, heavy flamer, heavy stubber, multilaser

Heavy weapon squad, lascannons
Heavy weapon squad, autocannons

ELITES:
9 stormtroopers, infiltrate, 2 plasma, vet with power weapon
9 stormtroopers, infiltrate, 2 melta, vet with power weapon

TROOPS:
Command Squad, 2 flamers, vox
JO, plasma pistol, power weapon
10 guardsmen, melta, krak grenades,vet with meltabombs
10 guardsmen, melta, krak grenades, vet with meltabombs
10 guardsmen, vox, heavy bolter, grenade launcher

10 guardsmen, vox, heavy bolter, grenade launcher
Chimera, smoke, heavy stubber, heavy flamer, multilaser
FAST ATTACK:
Hellhound
HEAVY SUPPORT:
2 leman russes, heavy bolters/lascannon

1st round:
i do not outflank, instead infiltrate normally, left flank.i keep the troops command in deep strike reserve.his rangers infiltrate in ruins.
his jetbikes, falcon, and troops surge forward.his wraithlords can't take out the russes, but stun one.his avatar hides from the heavy weapon squads.

all stormies, empty chimeras & non-heavy weapon infantry squads surge forward.
Dire avengers in cover , job for the hellhound(poor guys, luckilly i missed so)half squad dead. non-stun leman russ and autocannons fire at the bikes , kill 2.lascannons don't pass the falcon's armour-bad rolls.

2nd turn:
avengers bladestorm at stormies, kill most. disembarked fire dragons shoot at stunned russ,but most squad far from 6" and they can't penetrate!only the exarch immobilizes it.it can shoot, however-and they don't have cover!in my turn,all die.
both turns, his rangers underperform.
his guardians charge one of my squads, wipe them out but have casualties.

My chimera finishes off the dire avengers with its heavy flamer.
flaming command squad deep strikes next to rangers on objective-all burn from the 2 flamers.
autocannons and lascannons fire, cause jetbikes to flee, shake falcon.2 stormie squads and an infantry squad charge the guardians and wipe them off-no more scoring units for him!he starts playing for the tie.

turn 3:
his avatar assaults my leftover(hurt by avengers) stormies, wipes them out.his wraithlords previously kill a russ.his maygan ra slowly kills stormies from other squad that gave cover to troops.

troops commsquad, stormies squad and infantry squad reach his objective, i shoot and wound a wraithlord twice.i shake the falcon.

turn 4:
his avatar makes the jetbikes fearless in a desperate attempt, and maugan ra kills all stomies. wraithlords cause infantry squad to flee.

my shooting destroys falcon's pulse laser.I cannot wound the wounded wraithlord, but wipe out the remaining jetbikes.his desperate attempt failed.my 2 heavy bolter infantry squads run to the objective.

turn 5:
his avatar charges one of my remaining infantry squads that run to objective. his falcon babysits my fleeing infantry squad, causes my other squad to flee along with maugan ra.lucky shots from wraithlord missiles wipe out the troop command squad in the objective-both hits!!! the game is a tie.we agree to not roll for turn, since we have no troops and there is little to no hope of wiping out the enemy.


Game 2:
1500, IG vs. Tyranids.
Game:same objective, but Dawn of War.

His list:
HQ:
Flying Tyrant.
Broodlord, 7 genestealers.
ELITES:
5 leaping/rending warriors.
sniperfex(ballistic skill/barbed strangler/venomcannon).
TROOPS:
12 genestealers
12 genestealers
10 hormagaunts
8 hormagaunts
10 spinegaunts
8 spinegaunts

HEAVY SUPPORT:
2 biovores
zoanthrope

My list:
HQ:
same command squad as before, but meltas instead of plasmas.

lascannons squad with sharpshooters.

TROOPS:
Command squad, 2 grenades, JO as before, vox.
Infantry squad, autocannon/plasma/vox.
Infantry squad, autocannon/plasma/vox.

30 conscripts, 3 flamers.

10 stormtroopers, meltas, flaming chimera.
10 stormtroopers, plasmas, flaming chimera.

HEAVY SUPPORT:
2 leman russes as before.

1st turn:
i place 2 infantry squads & command squad(should have placed lascannon squad, mistake)

i see he has also made a mistake.he deployed tyrant & 2 hormas, so that his genestealers will have cover later.

however, i play first, and fire at the squad away from the tyrant, which though would have synapse when his other synapse creatures entered, didn't have that now!it lurks!!!
my other units went to center, tanks at flanks, in fear of the broodlord retinue.however, i fail to wound the tyrant.

his army surges forward, his tyrant hidden from TLOS by a huge ruin is dangerously close.his fex fails to kill a tank.

2nd turn:
i shoot at the other horma unit with everything but russes, who shoot at genestealers.warriors and biovore/zoanthrope are out of TLOS.i kill 8 total genestealers, most hormas.

his tyrant charges!he instantly wipes out my 1st infantry squad!!!
normally a defeat, my other squads were too close.however, he realizes he may not consolidate in cc now and looks at the 2 meltas, 1 plasma, 1 autocannon and 3 plasma pistols of the 2 commsquads and 1 infantry squad targetting him...also, his stealer retinue doesn't arrive.his biovores miss.

3rd turn:
my lascannons always roll 1s to wound the fex, both this round and previous.however, his tyrant is taken down by a salvo of plasma/melta fire!!!my chimera heavy flamers wipe out all remaining hormagaunts, as stormtroopers kill 4 more genestealers far away.

he surges forward, his spinegaunts charging an infantry squad and conscripts.his other spinegaunts charge a stormtroopers squad.his second squad gets locked in cc this turn, the other one gets killed due to lower save and low str/WS(failed to wound, had some casualties,killed by new fearless rules)fex takes one heavy flamer out of the equation., 8 conscripts killed by biovores.
his retinue arrives, but the flanks are far away from my lines.

4th turn:
my other stormies kill the remaining genestealers, leaving a squad of 8 and the retinue.his spinegaunts still fight my stormies.my vehicles near the retinue surge on the other side, leaving the retinue outmaneuvered and out of the equation-with no fleet of foot, it would need to get to 7 rounds for it to do anything...

his zoanthrope charges the engaged stormies and finally i lose.
his fex is now close and charges the full squad of stormies-i leave them out of Ld and they flee, but with fex low initiative they succesfully break away!his full-unwounded warriors and 8 genestealers charge the conscripts, wipe them in consolidatio-the conscripts still killed 3 stealers!!!however, they still cannot consolidate in other units, left stranded.

turn 5:
the damaged chimera killes remaining previously engaged spinegaunts.
the stormies regroup, and combine their rapid-firing plasmaguns with the 3 lascannons!the fex dies!!!vengeance!!!

the 5 warriors get targetted by a heavy flamer, heavy stubber, multilaser, 4 heavy bolters and 2 lascannons(3 tanks).and an autocannon, a plasmagun, and 8 lasguns(infantry squad).without cover. easy to say what happened.

the 5 remaining stealers get a move-shoot-charge by the 2 command squads, 3 plasma shots, 2 grenade shots, 2 melta shots, and many more.only one survived for cc, it gets killed, killing a lasgun-armed squad member.my troops command squad consolidates to my objective near my lines.

roll for turn 6 fails.i win!!!

posting comments on what i saw in 5th soon.

[Deleted]

I played against 5th Ed., new Codex Orks today...oh, boy.

I won't recall the entire battle, but here's some things I did learn:

1. 4+ Cover saves for intervening area terrain and units is a GODSEND. It's also a curse.

2. Hate the Shokk Attack Gun. It's caused my friend nothing but trouble with constant double-fives (Instant Close Combat) and double-twos (I get to choose its target, hehehehe).

3. Run really helps the Ork boyz and Kans run/waddle to the front, respectively.

4. Vehicles are INCREDIBLY hard to kill these days. In days long past, I could kill my friend's Deff Dred and Kan mob with grenades. GRENADES. Today he was on my by the beginning of turn four, in which he ripped apart my Hellhound, the ensuing explosion killed half a squad, and then his Deff Dred waddled into combat with Platoon 1's Command and then into another squad. His Trukk (Open-topped, 10-round armor!) only ended up Immobilized.

5. TLoS makes things SO much simpler. The game went so much faster without having to argue about "it's behind the forest, not IN the forest, so it's not able to be shot at!" See it, shoot it. The 4+ save for the intervening terrain really helps, too.

6. The new rules about what weapons can be fired on a tank makes it a really big decision whether or not to move your Leman Russ.

7. NEVER let a non-WS vehicle get involved in close-combat after it's done nothing but sit still. I don't know if it's new, but all hits in CC against a non-WS vehicle count against its REAR armor to take into account the chance of hitting weak spots. It makes Tankbusta's Rokkithammas a bit overkill, but still, DUUUURRRRRR!

The dice gods, they were not with me in this battle. But I beat him so hard and so much with 4th Ed. Guard, I think my friend deserves a good victory or two.

My Necrons are coming along nicely. Next time we'll play a Tomb Raid scenario. Then...REVEEEEEEENGE!

[newcomer]

500 pts combat patrol IG drop troops VS space wolfs, dont remember everything, but I still remember a few key moments.

1. love the new reserve rolls, they are very forgiving

2. learn to love the deep-strike mishap chart, having the enemy reposition them right into the line of fire and get shot to pieces is better than losing them completely

3. never underestimate carapace armour or the imperial flashlight

3. rhinos, even with the new damage chart, are still easy to pop as long as you concentrate enough krak missles onto them

4. TLoS is a godsend, it allows you to see through cracks 1mm big and allows you so see through a guy's legs

5. templates like GLs and frag missles are REALLY deadly now

6. the new kill-points system can be harsh, so dont send your men on too many suicide charges

7. never underestimate the drop troops in objective based games

the battle for me was a landslide victory, despite vehicles being tough to pop, it still isnt so bad that it will produce a "THE SKY IS FALLING AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!" feel, but will make it more rewarding to pop them

[The Refined Gentleman (M.I.A)]

Good thing i've got two full squads of deepstriking stormies.

[Count Elakor]

i got a 2000 vith IG VS Tau, nasty

goal: annahilate

Docs: priest, stormies, grenadiers, ligth, camelione,
my list
HQ:
HSO power weapon, las pistol, carpace, trademark
Commisar power fist carpace
Priest eviskerator carpace
3 vets medic standard melta
1 guard Mvox

2x sentinel multi auto armour

Elite:
Vets las guns, 2xplasma GL ML. infiltrate
stormies: 2x plasma infiltrate

troops:
10 grenadiers 2x flamer chimera flame bolter pintle
10 grenadiers 2x melta chimera bolter bolter HK
10 grenadiers plasma GL

platoon:
HQ: oficer, power carpace
commisar fist carpace
4 vets medic flamer

squad 1: GL bolter
squad 2: GL auto
squad 3: GL las

Fast:
HellHound armour

Heavy:
3x LR las/bolters armour HK

His list:
HQ: battle suit with retinue
O: 2x plasma drone(guns)
R: 3x gatling 3x plasma 3x shield
Etheral

Elite:
2x battlesuit team(6)
6x gatling 3x glamer 3xmelta 3x shiled 3x targeter
stealth suits3: 2xgatling 1melta shield

Troop:
16 fire wariors
20 kroot, 5 hound 2 krotox
2x 10 fire wariors

fast
piranha gatling
pathfinders 3 rail

heavy
hammerhead
3xbroadside
3x sniper team

deploy: all my infantery infiltrated within 24 range.
all LRs rigth flank
all grenadiers left flank
hell in midle with HQ and sentinels

he put broadsides and drones on rigth flank(mine)
infantery in midle
pathers sligthly left forward
tanks left(mine)
battle suits all together
stealth behind my grenadiers

1th:
i got the first turn, wopey.
my LRs advansed guns blasing, taking out 2 sniper drones in spectacular explotions and making the etheral jump for cover.
the grenadiers drove full speed away from the stealth suits
my HQ made its way forward in the cover of the hellhound, sentinels protecting its left.
Then the funn started, my entire gun line opened fire, topling a batlesuit and sending another to its knees.
The smalest of the FW squads took 50% casualties and fleed for safety.
The kroot hiding in the forest was only hit twize and lost a single member.
then the ML fired and destroyd the drones on the hammer head.

1th:
then the revenge of the Tau came, 16 pulsrifles fireing on my guardsmenn whiping out an entire squad(HB)
all of the battlesuits lept to the sky and landed in the midle of my stormies(mistake) they killed 4 of them with shoting then assaulted. the stealth suits also flew for the fray and landed behind the grenadiers fiering and shaking the chimera forcing the grenadiers out(flamers).
the snipers fired on my vets in heavy cover killing one unlucky guy.
the hammerhead fired on the hellhound(but didnt damage) and forced the medic to work early.

2th:
finaly my turn, the first thing i had to do was to move the grenadiers back towards the stealths(5inch away).
the LRs surged forward again killing another 2 drones and shaking the hammerhead
all my infantery fired on the battlesuits, 3+save HA. nothing stops 2xplasma, 3xGL, a ML, about 35las, a las canon and a auto.
eat death black robots.
now the funn started, two flamers, folowed by 9 CC and 2 power attacks barbequed, seperated, sorted and chewd upp all behind me ;D.
the rest of the grenadiers reached enemy line and dismounted.

2th:
his turn the hammerhead ran away and the etheral hid from LoS.
all remaining FWs managed to kill the melta armed grenadiers, eweryone of them
then the broadsides opened fire(ugly) completely destroying the unmaned chimera.
then the pathfinders(with i forgot about) fired on one of the LRs and imobilized it, removed the battlecannon and stuned it(overkill)
the snipers killed some of the plasma grenadiers.

3th:
now all my infantery assaulted his remaining battlesuits and whiped them out with zero return attacks.
the LRs killed the last of the snipers and theyr controlers and the remaining plasma grenadiers runed for the etheral. the flamers got back into theyr tank.
the HQ and the HH and sentinels made it to the battle and started shoting whatewer was left (bout 20 FWs) kiiling ewerything they lay their gaze on(exept one FW) and assaulted the corpses. the bastard acualy managed to kill a vet.

3th:
his HamerHead was now in operation and shot the hell out of the HellHound.
the pathers killed another LR and his kroot charged the rear of ewerything.
what you think... 15kroot and 1 FW vs 5 stormies 6 vets 14 guards two sentinels and two HQs.
thets gota be the first time Tau killed IG in CC. 3 stormies, 2 vets, 8 guards and all the HQ vets, the only thing we killed back was 3 kroot.

4th:
my remaining battlecanon fired on the pathers and liquified everyone in an instant. the remaining grenadiers assaulted the etheral(and was masacerd) and the big figth was still locked

4th:
after the combat (nothing to shoot or move) the score was
etheral(1 wound) vs 3 grenadiers
10 kroot and 1 FW vs 2 oficers, 3 guards, 2 vets, one sentinel and 4 stormies.

5th:
the etheral killed the remaining grenadiers and moved for the big combat(this roung only one stormie and two kroot was killed)

6th:
the etheral didnt make it for the CC and was in the open. BWAHAHA
now it was shurely dead, one battlecannon, a multilaser, three BHs and a las cannonkilled it.
in the figth the last tau fleed(and survived) and the kroot was sytemathicaly killed.


man of the mach:
TAU: that lone FW
IG: those guard that killed the enemy general alone