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Post by 9th Company on Apr 21, 2007 14:25:27 GMT -5
I`m using a Commissar model as my heroic officer and was wondering how I would be able to justify it. I was thinking that i could think up a story where the officer executes the Commissar and takes over his role. Obviously the idea of a Commissar being killed for retreating is silly so I though maybe the officer, faced with impossible odds ordered a tactical withdrawal with the Commissar ordering to stand fast. The officer faced with losing his company kills the commissar and orders the withdrawal.
what do you guys think?
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Post by Woz on Apr 23, 2007 4:43:59 GMT -5
You don't need to justify using a commissar fig as a HSO, as long as you let your opponent know it's not being using as a commissar.
Your story of officer kills commissar, sounds like an IG army with no commissar. I don't know what difference it'll make game wise.
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Post by thefishki345 on Apr 23, 2007 4:54:13 GMT -5
lol, yeah just tell the person you are playing that its your hso and it should be fine.
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Post by 9th Company on Apr 23, 2007 13:59:57 GMT -5
I know it won`t make any difference game wise. I just wanted to think up a story that would explain why my HSO was indeed heroic.
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Post by Woz on Apr 23, 2007 17:26:07 GMT -5
I know it won`t make any difference game wise. I just wanted to think up a story that would explain why my HSO was indeed heroic. Don't think shooting a Commissar would be considerd Heroic , Treason yes. So you could have a TSO Traitorous Senior Officer |
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Post by Commissar on Apr 23, 2007 22:36:00 GMT -5
LoL, yeah.
Traitor guard Captain!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2007 7:23:59 GMT -5
I think what 9th company is trying to say is that the officer shot the commissar due to dire circumstances ehich created morale conflict between the actions of the officer and the ideas of the commissar. Where the commissar would say stand and fight...not a step back comrades or ill shoot you and all that...... the officer's duty of protecting his men would have sed that a tactical withdrawal of troops and the regroup of other would've been an advantage but being the stubborn man that the commissar was would have threatened the officer by shooting him. The story goes that the officer had been engaged in a conflict with the commissar and a fight broke up in the midst of retreating troops and the advance of the enemy. THe officer eventually kills the commissar and witness' viewing the scene hailed him as a hero becuase the tactical withdrawal of the troops did infact lead to a counter-offensive that deeply blew a hole in the enemies strenght leading to the eventual victory
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Post by 9th Company on Apr 26, 2007 6:15:05 GMT -5
Yes thats exactly what I had in mind. I wanted my heroic officer to be seen as heroic by his men. So I though what would be more heroic than an officer risking the firing squads to save his company. I think that would justify the +1 leadership from the officer as the men would feel they owe him one and fit in quite nicely with my army having no Commissars.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2007 2:14:03 GMT -5
I see no problem in this good idea, i mean look at gaunt. he is an colonel commissar, so it is not immpossible that your heroic senior officer could be both. in Fluff it works very well and could be a very nice story. but by the rules it would be only a heroic, but when you ask your opponent what he things about some rulechanges and if he like it and allow it than it will be all fine.
I hope you understand my bad english writing
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Post by 9th Company on Apr 27, 2007 19:08:10 GMT -5
I understood your English fine thanks. You made a real good point with Gaunt, funnily enough I never looked at it in that way, thanks for suggesting it!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2007 14:08:12 GMT -5
In the catachan codex doesn't it say thy would normally assassinate commisars .... my appologies i mean the commissars would have terrable accidents when posted with the Catachans... maybe you could have some kind of fluff like this.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2007 15:51:23 GMT -5
Ya know they really had commisars in the Russian army in WW2, but they were hidden on the backlines and were drawn from the secret police (no joke)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2007 21:45:04 GMT -5
In the catachan codex doesn't it say thy would normally assassinate commisars .... my appologies i mean the commissars would have terrable accidents when posted with the Catachans... maybe you could have some kind of fluff like this. yeah i read something like that....they said that the commissars were usually posted to deathworld comapnies. They werent born in the harsh deathworlds and were also considered a threat in both tactical situations and amongsts the high ranking officers who knew what was best for their troops |
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Post by 9th Company on May 14, 2007 18:34:35 GMT -5
yeah, thats where I had the whole idea from originally. I think it was called the oops sorry sir rule or something similar. It was because deathworld vets don`t like being told what to do.
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Post by 9th Company on May 14, 2007 18:39:21 GMT -5
Ya know they really had commisars in the Russian army in WW2, but they were hidden on the backlines and were drawn from the secret police (no joke) yeah they had commissars, they were called something different though. Every platoon had one (sometimes every squad) and their role was to make sure political thinking, moral, correspondents home etc were all good and proper. They also had firing squads in the rear at times to make sure the combat soldiers wouldn`t lack behind. I read in Ivans War that commanders would assign their best shots to this role reducing combat effectiveness. They`d also assign their friends to the role! |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2007 19:48:27 GMT -5
I think they may have been called political officers.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2007 13:52:57 GMT -5
Don't turn around, oh oh...Jah jah... the commissars in town, oh oh.Terrable song running around in my head from the 80's.I can't remember the band who did it, but it was all about the political officer... the Commissar.
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Post by twerd on Jun 17, 2007 23:33:24 GMT -5
catachan and commisars
Commisar: So some of the commisar died recently one was thrown from a cliff
Catachan:here sir have some mushrooms for breakfast
Commisar: No thanks
Catachan: thats what the last commisar said
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2007 10:28:35 GMT -5
why are commisars always so ridiculously cruel looking? its like they intentionally hire nasty cranky old men to be them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2007 10:42:59 GMT -5
Its not just that.
Commisars were the most idiotic thing russia ever produced. Stalin had given the order that every man who runs away will be shot. The commisars were the men responsible for killing these "traitors". It was commen for commisars to run behind the charging platoon with 2 smoking revolvers.
That is why the oncompromising grumpy old man steriotype is used.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2007 11:39:08 GMT -5
The grumpy old man image fits the commisar very well. Would you prefer a happy young carismatic fellow to execute your men? Wouldn't fit very wel imo...
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Post by cobaltsentinel on Nov 24, 2007 1:10:23 GMT -5
It'd be kinda funny in a morbid sort of way if a commissar ended up getting a gleeful sort of pleasure from summary execution; that's for sure...
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