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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2008 21:04:46 GMT -5
hey, is there any way to get a squad of shot gunners besides wasting it on vets?...see i really wanted to have 2 guys in my command squad to have shotguns but realized it wasn't an option...i'm hoping i'm missing something and veterans isn't the only way to go because my vets are rapid fire stand and shoot plasma types...not run around assaulting tanks and heavy infantry melta types
on a side note...if a medic has a plasma pistol...can he use his save a wound ability on himself for overheating plasma pistol?
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Post by aeonian on Oct 16, 2008 9:24:40 GMT -5
For your command squad, upgrade two of them to veterans (6 points for each, kind of a rip off but gives them access to the armory, and upgrades to 8 Ld) and then purchase shotguns for 1 point each. As for medics: yes, they can use their save a wound on themselves, as the codex says no such thing against using it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2008 21:09:27 GMT -5
yeah, but that wqould be a waste...paying 7 points for a shotgun...i'll probably go nade launchers or pistols and cc.
glad the medic thing is acceptable though
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Oct 17, 2008 8:16:11 GMT -5
Why is it a waste with vets?
You give em shotguns, meltas and a vet sergeant with a plasma pistol and a power weapon. Wait till your enemy's heavist infantry is
a) Ideally, completely seperated from the rest of his force
or, minumum
b) Reasonably far away from anything that could kiabosh your deepstrike attempt. Youland next to them, unleash a maelstrom of high-energy death and laugh as 125 points of veterans wipes out 250+ points of terminators/crisis suits/Broadsides/Land Raider/Carnifex/Hive Tyrant/Warboss(not reccomended on Orks, though)/Incubi(again, a bit of a waste though). (works best on crisis suits)
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Post by aeonian on Oct 17, 2008 9:45:36 GMT -5
Plus, if the hardened vets are given the hardened fighters droctrine, then they can fire all those assault weapons, getting...*counts on fingers* lots of friggin' lead and melta bubbles in the air, then charging in with your sergeant who has a power weapon, accompanied by a commissar or a priest...or BOTH!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 15:16:52 GMT -5
i mean it would be a waste on my vet squad...i can only have 1 vet squad cuz i can't spare doctrine points for a second.
my vet squad is taking advantage of the BS4.
V. Sarge with plasma pistol and power sword
3 vets with plasma guns
1 vet with missile launcher
5 with lasguns
my plan for them is infiltrate into a building and not moving...unleashing lots of death with 7 plasma shots, 1 missile, and 10 las bursts. (i always hear people saying you can get 8 plasma shots with vet squad...but i don't see that being possible)
if i could have a second vet squad i would do the tank hunter/cc setup like you guys said...maybe when the new codex comes out i'll be able to.
i want shotguns for command squads...it should be an option...and it isn't worth upgrading regular guard in cmd. squad to vet for +6 points and then buying shotguns for +1 point...
i might as well just give then nade launchers or flamers for assault at that point cost...
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Oct 18, 2008 8:40:54 GMT -5
You already have 8 plasma shots with that setup:
3 plasma guns: 6 shots at rapidfire. 1 plasma pistol: 2 shots at 12". 8 shots of S7 AP2 nasty.
However, you're never going to see a lot of those veterans again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2008 18:03:41 GMT -5
pistols are assault1 weapons i thought...so that's one shot.
what do you mean i won't see those vets again? i expect them to die within a couple turns...or do you mean something about the new codex?
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Oct 19, 2008 3:22:23 GMT -5
No.....*Sigh* Plasma pistols can either fire one shot at 12", and assault, or fire 2 shots and not move. Unless the rules have been warped out of all meaning in 5th ed.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Oct 19, 2008 4:32:48 GMT -5
I was also lead to believe by reading the new rules that all pistol weapons are now assault 1
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Oct 19, 2008 4:53:19 GMT -5
Okay then...you van only get seven plasma shots now.
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Post by 3ff3ct on Nov 3, 2008 8:59:07 GMT -5
ONLY 7x S7 AP2 shots  Edit: Oh and good call on the medic thing, looks like I can now get 8 plasma shots out of my HQ! ;D Id never even thought of that!
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Post by aeonian on Nov 10, 2008 13:42:42 GMT -5
3ff3ct, someday, you're gonna design a plasma gun for the British Army, and be rich, and be awsome (even more than you already are, bro...and I don't even know you!) and it will pwn!
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