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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jul 29, 2009 18:51:07 GMT -5
Find me the Primarch of the Grey Knights. That's who my vote goes to. Boo! GK are jerks.
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Post by Carlgar on Aug 17, 2009 10:36:41 GMT -5
Guilliman...for obvious reasons but also because he was the emperors favorite (other than horus pre heresy lol) and he wrote the codex that most chapters follow and the rest of his fluff is pretty damn cool too
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Aug 17, 2009 10:40:25 GMT -5
I think that was Sanguinus actually...
but don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Guilliman as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2009 10:59:44 GMT -5
...Carlgar has my copy of the first Horus Heresy book... But if I remember it was Horus who said that Sanguinius was his favorite son, and it confused him why he had been chosen as the Warmaster.
And why not? He is a Vampire in Space.
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Post by Laughing Man on Aug 17, 2009 12:56:48 GMT -5
I'd say my top 3 are: Alpharius Vulkan Corax
and my vote goes to Vulkan
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Aug 17, 2009 13:51:24 GMT -5
...Carlgar has my copy of the first Horus Heresy book... But if I remember it was Horus who said that Sanguinius was his favorite son, and it confused him why he had been chosen as the Warmaster. And why not? He is a Vampire in Space. If I remember correctly, this is mostly true. Horus was the Emperor's favored son, because he was found first, but was the only Primarch for years during the Crusade. Because of this, a number of the other Primarchs weren't very big fans of Horus, seeing him as the favorite who had all the praise heaped on him by the Emperor. However, Sanguinus was the closest friend that Horus had among his brothers, as well as being the most respected Primarch. So, as Horus points out in Horus Rising, were he the Emperor, he would have chosen Sanguinus over himself.
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Aug 17, 2009 14:08:30 GMT -5
Quite a traitorous board... many votes seem to have gone to traitor primarchs But to get a few things right here: 1. Horus has never been part of the Black Legion. He has only been the Primarch of the Luna Wolves and the Sons of Horus. The Black Legion was just a further rename made by Abaddon after the death of Horus. He also ordered to recolour all the legions armours to black as a sign of shame over the death of Horus 2. The Grey Knights don't have a Primarch... They're 2nd founding and have actually no own Geneseed. They most likely recruit from the most fanatic and zealous Space Marines. The first GKs have also been mostly consisted out of Death Guard and other Marines from traitor legions who stayed loyal 3. Alpharius isn't the Primarch of the Alpha Legion... It is Omegon... Ok that statement is false and correct at the same time. No one knows (except the Emperor perhaps) who has really been the real Primarch of them. But fact is that Alpharius and Omegon acted as one and often switched roles. It is also a fact that at least one of them died
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Aug 17, 2009 14:32:17 GMT -5
3. Alpharius isn't the Primarch of the Alpha Legion... It is Omegon... Ok that statement is false and correct at the same time. No one knows (except the Emperor perhaps) who has really been the real Primarch of them. But fact is that Alpharius and Omegon acted as one and often switched roles. It is also a fact that at least one of them died Yes, this is true, but Alpharius was considered the Primarch because no one else was really aware of who Omegon was, hence why he's listed as the Primarch. Also, they may also both still be alive. When Guilliman killed "Alpharius" after the heresy, even he was shocked at his opponents apparent lack of ability. This could mean that it was neither Alpharius or Omegon who was killed, but a basic Marine posing as him.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 17, 2009 15:24:13 GMT -5
I voted for myself.
Guess who that was?
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Post by Laughing Man on Aug 17, 2009 15:51:02 GMT -5
Umm the GKs Primarch is the Emperor. His Geneseed created them. The Deathwatch are selected from chapters.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Aug 17, 2009 15:58:52 GMT -5
That has never been confirmed.
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Post by Laughing Man on Aug 17, 2009 16:05:16 GMT -5
Has is it not?
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Aug 17, 2009 18:21:46 GMT -5
Nope. And actually the rumour is that the Adeptus Custodes have the Geneseed of the Emperor. As they haven't recruited anyone since pre-heresy time and have unmatched combat skills.
The first GKs, I think have actually been loyal Death Guard marines during Horus Heresy
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Aug 17, 2009 18:27:06 GMT -5
It is my opinion that the loyalist Death Guard became the first Ordo Xenos Death Watch actually...
but again none of this has been confirmed.
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 0:31:02 GMT -5
Ok I looked it up. 3 rumours about their origins... 1. Possibly Geneseed directly from the Emperor (I highly doubt that as a GK can't match a Custodes. And when the GKs are already with the Geneseed from the Emperor what sort of Geneseed have the Custodes???!!! 2. Made up Geneseed from different chapters, this sounds more realistic as the GK geneseed is apparently engineered to with stand most taints of Chaos 3. The first GKs seem to have been loyal marines from the traitor legions Ymmot (M.I.A): from what I know the Deathwatch is far younger than the 2nd founding Grey Knights (ironically the GK chapter number is the 666) and that would make it impossible that there were still loyal marines from the traitor legions alive at this time
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Post by xthetenth on Aug 18, 2009 10:32:15 GMT -5
That and the fact that deathwatch is a specific duty rotation that involves marines from all chapters, that pretty much means we know where the deathwatch come from. I agree with knight that his first possibility is pretty much out, but I think I remember both 2 and 3 in some way, IE they took loyalists from the traitor legions and did some stuff to their geneseed, but that's just me. And I think that getting the geneseed from loyalists in the traitor legions would provide the best defense from chaos, seeing as the marines have already proven their resilience against chaos.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 18, 2009 10:34:41 GMT -5
Well, since no-one took my bait, I chose Konrad Kurze, mainly for the Heart of Darkness reference in his name, but also because his and my tactical styles overlap.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Aug 18, 2009 10:47:30 GMT -5
That was my guess, but the possibility remained that you actually meant yourself. I would have changed my vote, then...
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 10:53:55 GMT -5
my guess would have been Horus...
but Night Haunter is more appropriate I think
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Post by Gree on Aug 18, 2009 10:56:02 GMT -5
1. Konrad Curze( Night Lords plaer) 2. Horus 3. Fulgrim 4. Guilliman 5. Angron.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 10:58:03 GMT -5
My vote still goes to Dorn, for his actions post heresy.
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Post by starwoof on Aug 18, 2009 10:58:47 GMT -5
I chose Angron, because he's still active and causes mayhem from time to time.
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Post by knight (M.I.A) on Aug 18, 2009 12:41:08 GMT -5
Angron, Lorgar, Fulgrim, Perturabo, Magnus the Red, Mortarion... they're all still active. But their actions are normally a bit more subtle than those of Angron who has the subtlity of a sledgehammer...
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Aug 18, 2009 13:11:57 GMT -5
But their actions are normally a bit more subtle than those of Angron who has the subtlity of a sledgehammer... An electric sledgehammer at that.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Aug 18, 2009 13:44:18 GMT -5
An electric sledgehammer on fire playing 'Ride of The Valkyries', accompanied by a guard of ten thousand garishly painted stormtroopers.
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