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Post by trooperlucky573 on Jul 9, 2007 15:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by trooperlucky573 on Jul 9, 2007 16:26:04 GMT -5
It seems that the Armoured Company was removed from play in early July in the American Conflicts and Games Days..... Perhaps Canada is still Armour friendly...
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Post by Turtleboy(AWOL) on Jul 9, 2007 19:12:50 GMT -5
armored companies have been 'out' as far as GTs go for about um .. 8(?) months now. they also axed feral orcs if I remember correctly.
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Post by trooperlucky573 on Jul 9, 2007 19:25:37 GMT -5
Sure, but why did they axe the Armoured Company?
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Post by Turtleboy(AWOL) on Jul 9, 2007 20:14:22 GMT -5
in a tournament (read: cut-throat) environment, it's often taken to the extreme and leman russes are maxed out to the exclusion of all else making the army so extreme that it's nigh unbeatable by armies that don't have extremely heavy AT capabilities. that would be my guess.
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Post by trooperlucky573 on Jul 9, 2007 20:54:34 GMT -5
Lame. So a few losers create unbalanced forces, that beat up on players who don't have the sense to create a balanced force capable of dealing with armoured vehicles and infantry at the same time, who then whinge and moan the the AC is 'unbeatable' and 'unbalanced' (which it is to a some degree, I think there should be more flexability to select armoured fist sections to support and maybe the introduction of a hardened veteran armoured fist unit). If thats the basis they went with to remove it; they should bin Eldar and Necrons while they're at it.
I'm not talking out my ass here either. I play and armoured company, and have had some success in the tournaments and in-store campaigns I've played in. I've been schooled by everything from Orks to Tau and the Inquisition, with little but a few stormtroopers and a few salamanders left at the end of the game. I've also owned players not willing to adjust their tactics to the situation (charging in clumps at a line of tanks is never wise).
I just think its weak that the AC may have been pulled because a few wuss's can't play with a balanced force, and that a few pussies had to cry about it.
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Post by Turtleboy(AWOL) on Jul 9, 2007 21:35:25 GMT -5
tournament play is not really made for balanced fairplay. it's about winning at all costs while being polite enough to pull off a good sportsmanship score to the majority of people out there unfortunately.
I think what GW realized is that as armies go, an unbalanced 14 (or whatever) leman russ armored company was just over the top.
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Post by Commissar on Jul 9, 2007 22:48:07 GMT -5
Then you completely surprise them and take 400 infantry!
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Post by Turtleboy(AWOL) on Jul 9, 2007 23:49:10 GMT -5
I've gone all infantry vs an armored company before, it doesn't work. it really REALLY doesn't work. massed fire with lasguns vs armor 10+...GO!....pewpewpew *time passes* pewpewpew *more time passes* pewpew..yeah..hey look the sun's setting!...we should shoot more...yeah I agree...pewpewpew...did we kill anything today? nope. *sigh* oh well, better luck tomorrow!  |
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Post by Woz on Jul 10, 2007 6:05:28 GMT -5
I've gone all infantry vs an armored company before, it doesn't work. But if armoured companies are banned then that won't happen. I think AC's are a little too extreme. When you have balanced armies facing off then both players stand a chance of winning but the only way to win against an AC list is if you've gone heavy on the AT weapons. And if you do go heavy on AT weapons then you're stuffed when someone sticks 400 termagaunts in front of you. |
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Post by Oztoon on Jul 10, 2007 7:28:40 GMT -5
But GW said "that to unforseen circumstances" AC was allowed anymore. But I heard they're redoing the rules for AC in Codex Apocalypse.
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Post by trooperlucky573 on Jul 10, 2007 12:05:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty much the only AC player in the Okanagan, and I think there might be one or two more in Edmonton; I have to say, and all tank force is pretty repulsive and limited to me. It shows a lack of planning around terrain possibilities or possible missions. I've come up with an alternate army list, (it took all of 15 minutes of thinking and about 30 min or writing), that I think corrects most of the problems. Now I have to find out about the feedback and ideas thing from buddy at GW Canada. I really hope he stops the patronizing tone in his emails. I'm on leave right now, and have nothing better to do but think on things, swim, and make soem dude's life miserable.
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Post by 9th Company on Jul 10, 2007 20:22:56 GMT -5
But don`t forget there is the Mechanised Doctrine in the Codex. I think that is fair enough because then you are forced to spend a fair amount on troops which ultimately is what the Imperial Guard is all about.
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Post by 9th Company on Jul 11, 2007 0:33:11 GMT -5
I've gone all infantry vs an armored company before, it doesn't work. it really REALLY doesn't work. massed fire with lasguns vs armor 10+...GO!....pewpewpew *time passes* pewpewpew *more time passes* pewpew..yeah..hey look the sun's setting!...we should shoot more...yeah I agree...pewpewpew...did we kill anything today? nope. *sigh* oh well, better luck tomorrow! I bet the paintwork on that tank would be ruined though? |
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Post by trooperlucky573 on Jul 11, 2007 0:45:13 GMT -5
Like you wouldn't believe. The Emperor alone knows how much the guard spends on paint and bodywork after every battle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2007 8:19:04 GMT -5
I was under the impression that Armoured Company was allowed in tournaments and in November last year
an article in White Dwarf featured a masterclass tournament ARMOURED COMPANY.
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Post by trooperlucky573 on Jul 11, 2007 12:56:39 GMT -5
It was. It was in the 2006-2007 tournament circuit until a few months ago.
They sighted 'lack of playtesting' and 'unable to match up to existing codex forces' as reasons to pull it. It can still be played a local tournaments with organizers permission, or if its on thier list of approved army lists. I suspect it was lamers who rolled with Artillery and Heavy Armour lists, with no light vehicles or infantry, that were the straw that broke the camels back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2007 19:43:49 GMT -5
Hmm... Interesting.
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Post by trooperlucky573 on Jul 11, 2007 20:06:39 GMT -5
Less interesting, more of a urine off really. I worked hard to create a balanced Armoured Company force, capable of fighting in all terrain and under any set of conditions. Now because of a few victory at all costs focused idiots, the Armoured Company has been relegated to the shadowy world of semi-legality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2007 8:46:57 GMT -5
Mmm I wouldnt really worry about it considering that the Apoc games will be showing up soon enough and with them more tanks will probably be called to order So think of it as a delay and that the Tournaments ( regardless of being stupid for power gaming ) we should bring a mix of armor and foot sloggers.. Though thinking about it.. my anti SM army would do nicely againest an AC list.. plenty of scouts, infiltrators, drop troops with plenty of plasma and melta gun fun to be had by all.. Cheers Gris |
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