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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 14, 2009 20:35:03 GMT -5
I've been thinking about bikes today. I've also been thinking about re-rolling to hit being awesome. This is the result.
Hestan
Captain on bike -power sword, combi-flamer
Bikes @ 6(7) -power sword, melta bomb, meltagun x 2, attack bike
Bikes @ 6(7) -power sword, melta bomb, meltagun x 2, attack bike
Landspeeder -HB/MM
Landspeeder -typhoon/HB
1000
For 1500, the same but:
swap the power sword and combi-flamer for -artificer armor, ss/th, melta bomb, aux GL, digital weapons
Whirlwind -HK, storm bolter, extra armor
Vindicator -HK, storm bolter, extra armor, siege shield
Dreadnought -Assault cannon, extra armor
Drop pod (for the dreadnought)
What are your thoughts?
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 14, 2009 23:14:43 GMT -5
I sense much vroom vroom in your future.
Did you consider a Master of the Forge on Bike with Conversion Beamer?
Think of the possibilities that opens up.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 15, 2009 9:54:57 GMT -5
Libbies don't get the Cbeamer, so... no. If you mean the master of the forge, then no to that too. This list is all about cc, and confusing the opponent's sense of target priority. It's all coming very fast, and if any one thing charges into cc, it will be effective (not the speeders, they're for AT support/ poking at lonely infantry). I need to find more bikes for cheep - I've always loved the bike marines, but they're so expensive...
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 15, 2009 11:14:04 GMT -5
Fixed it. I think I was half asleep when I wrote that...
Yeah, I can see the CC aspect of this force getting particularly nasty, but if your opponent target it correctly, bike armies can be very very fragile.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 15, 2009 11:20:30 GMT -5
Yeah....You might wanna search online for some White Scars tactica too. I think there's a few good ones out there....
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 15, 2009 17:40:10 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, the ravenwing box set has six bikes, an attack bike, and a landspeeder in it. It's going to be rather hard to talk myself out of buying two of them with this level of serendipity...
If I do get them, I'll have to re-think the list to make the most of stuff I'd have in my possession.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 15, 2009 17:44:16 GMT -5
Ah the wonderful Ravenwing set. And Ravenwing Bikes come in sets of 3, unlike regular Marine Bikes.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 15, 2009 17:51:11 GMT -5
What? Vanilla bikes come in squads of three and up. There are six DA bikes in the box set, and regular bikes come in boxes of three. Scout bikes don't come in threes yet. If they did, I would get some of those too.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 15, 2009 17:54:30 GMT -5
Huh, who would have thought that Marine bikes came in three's...
Ravenwing are cheaper overall though. 41.25 for 3 Bikers as opposed to 45 for 3 Bikers.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 15, 2009 18:48:33 GMT -5
Even cheaper when you buy the big box set at a 20% discount. Good find on the three pack of bikes, though. Hmm... I think I'll still get two box sets. I could always use more speeders and attack bikes.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 15, 2009 19:06:07 GMT -5
Yeah. The Batallion box would be a better deal overall (I want to put together a pure Ravenwing force for fun) and have been wandering around plotting for a while as to how to make it effective.
Money wise that is.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 15, 2009 21:16:36 GMT -5
Find some poor little kid who plays Ravenwing, and beat him up for his stuff. I think Galt has DA, but no Ravenwing. He didn't find a kid to brutalize, so it must be harder than it sounds.
Aside from that, there's also holding the children of GW's executives hostage. But if you're going that far, there's a lot more stuff to demand than a few pieces of plastic.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 15, 2009 21:18:41 GMT -5
Yeah, Ravenwing are hard to come by. Luckily my store has a ton of Ravenwing box sets lying around.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 16, 2009 15:32:50 GMT -5
Thinking about bikes again... This might be a better list at 1K.
Captain -bike, power sword, artificer armor, hellfire rounds, melta bombs
Bikes @ 5(6) -power sword, melta bombs, attack bike
Bikes @ 5(6) -power sword, melta bombs, plasma gun, melta gun, attack bike, multi-melta
scout bikes @ 3 -power sword, GL x 3, beacon
Termies @ 5 -chain fist x 3, assault cannon
Any more thoughts?
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Post by darienfaust on Jul 18, 2009 4:09:12 GMT -5
i have little experience with bikes, but i'm just not to keen on using weapons with blast templates when your a cc army. but hey, that's just me.
termies dropping in behind your enemies while they hide from your "vroomy" assaut force should ruin their day. i can see gunline armies getting really messed up with this.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 18, 2009 10:32:14 GMT -5
I pose a question: Which would be better all around - five termies with three chain fists and an assault cannon, or six legion of the damned marines with a power fist and a multi-melta? Considering of course that both would be deep striking.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jul 18, 2009 15:51:11 GMT -5
.... My answer's biased. Legion of the Damned.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 19, 2009 15:32:02 GMT -5
*rages* I want an unbiased opinion.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jul 19, 2009 15:34:17 GMT -5
*rages* I want an unbiased opinion. Oh, well, then I can't help... Although, if it helps the decision any, I was under the impression that Termies were codex legal, and Legion of the Damned required your opponent's permission. Reds
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 19, 2009 16:57:21 GMT -5
LotD are in the codex. Therefore, undeniably legal.
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Post by darienfaust on Jul 19, 2009 20:41:07 GMT -5
sorry, not much of an expert on SM's. i've also never seen LotD in action, so i can't tell the difference.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 19, 2009 21:22:11 GMT -5
Come on guys... Everybody has a SM codex, and loves playing marines. At least that's what GW tells me...
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 19, 2009 22:26:20 GMT -5
Personally, I don't like either option. As you could use those points to tack on a third 5(6) bike squad and still get the same effect.
But, if I have to choose, Legion of the Damned for the re-roll of the Scatter die and the 3+ Inv. save.
I still hate both options passionately though.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 20, 2009 10:15:14 GMT -5
Okay... why would you hate them passionately? Could you explain your reasons? Maybe they'll help me make lists in the future.
I have these two choices, because I want a dsing unit to come in via the beacon, I could go with assault marines, but they don't get relentless and an inv save. Termies would be good against hordes/light vehicles (heavy ones too, if I get them into cc) and LotD would be good against other elite troops/MCs/harder vehicles (by shooting).
If I really did want another troop choice, I'd look into doing this list as BA, and using a mech assault squad. I'd also get some DC that way. But it would need to be a larger game, so that I could use two of them, as bikes can't be troops in BA lists.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jul 20, 2009 10:26:36 GMT -5
I pose a question: Which would be better all around - five termies with three chain fists and an assault cannon, or six legion of the damned marines with a power fist and a multi-melta? Considering of course that both would be deep striking. TERMINATORS!! a chain fist or two I guess... but you cannot assault after you DS nor can you fire any heavy weapons because it counts as moving in that turn... so assault cannon + stormbolter = deepstrike face destruction.
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