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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 6, 2009 9:44:04 GMT -5
OK last week I got my first SoB boxed set. I messed one sister up trying to drill the end of her bolter, but at least I now have 9. I also decided on red armour with orange robes (and orange gloves), so they will have a fiery name. Onwards. The list...(1500 points)
HQ (using Inq model) Canoness - inferno pistol, cc wpn, frag grenades, Book of St Lucius
HQ (ditto) Palatine - plasma pistol, cc wpn, frag grenades, Book of St Lucius
Troops 20 Battle Sisters - veteran sister superior- bolt pistol, cc , bolters (x17), flamers (x2)
Troops 11 Battle Sisters - veteran sister superior - bolt pistol, power maul, bolters (x9), meltagun (x1)
Troops 20 Battle Sisters - veteran sister superior - plasma pistol, cc, bolters (x17), flamers (x2)
Heavy Support 10 Retributors - veteran sister superior, bolters, multimelta (x4)
Heavy Support 10 Retributors - veteran sister superior, bolters, multimelta (x4)
Heavy support 10 Retributors - veteran sister superior, bolters, heavy bolter (x4)
The next 250 will have another 18 sisters in a troops slot, and the next after that (2000 points) will have a command squad with imagifier. Criticism is always welcome. Thanks! ;D
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Post by Melissia on Sept 6, 2009 9:52:02 GMT -5
A few random comments: Palatines suck. Just spend the extra points to make her a Canoness, ten points is nothing for what you get.
Power Mauls don't actually exist anymore. They're either CCWs or Power weapons.
Multimeltas on infantry models suck.
You need more meltaguns. Multimeltas suck, they won't cut it for anti-tank when the enemy can just stay out of range and bombard you, and multimeltas, being sucky, don't allow you to move while firing.
Also, multi-meltas suck. If you're going to rely on infantry only, use Battle Sister Squads with meltaguns, or Seraphim with TL Inferno Pistols.
Even out your squad sizes. Your meltagun suad (which should have two meltaguns, not one) will be focused on because it's your only squad with any REAL anti-tank (multimeltas on infantry models suck).
For what it costs to get a full squad of ten Retributors with four multi-meltas, you can get a full squad of twenty Battle Sisters and have points left to spare (the 4x multimelta squads you have cost 220+ points each). Cut it down a few members and give them meltaguns, and that squad will be much better anti-tank than your multimelta squads.
Drop the plasma pistol, BSS sisters and superiors only have BS3, it's a waste of points. If you want plasma, give her a combi-plasma at most, and even that's questionable. Generally, it's actualyl best just to either go for either the combiflamer/BP+Brazier of Holy Flame... or just save points and go with a simple bolter.
Your HQ choices are rather weak. Their best use is in close combat despite their shooting-oriented stats, because that's where their best equipment is. Give them a Blessed Weapon or Eviscerator.
You don't have enough Books of Saint Lucius. Every single squad should have one, at five points each there's no reason not to.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 6, 2009 10:05:54 GMT -5
I figure that this set-up will be good in Planetstrike, or Cities of Death. I like multimeltas, but I know what you mean. The enemy may rush me after I move my retributors. Will it still be OK to have heavy bolters instead, and more meltaguns in the troops squads instead of flamers? One of my local GW staff members is a secret sisters player. He said smaller squads, more veteran sisters will give me more Faith points. One reason I want big squads is that I want to expand the army to 3000 points. (a bit too crazy)
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Post by Melissia on Sept 6, 2009 15:54:04 GMT -5
They don't have to rush you. They can just sit back and bombard your impotent anti-tank units at their own leisure.
ANd yes, it'll be okay to do heavy bolters instead and switch to meltaguns. Honestly, you'll have plenty of anti-infantry even without the heavy bolters, so losing the flamers won't hurt too much.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 6, 2009 16:27:42 GMT -5
One of my local GW staff members is a secret sisters player. Everything about that sentence makes me laugh. A GW employee should be trying to get people to buy stuff by demonstrating its use. And is there a closet involved in playing sisters?
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 7, 2009 7:41:15 GMT -5
No. As soon as you buy your first SoB box they take you out back and introduce you to the Sisterhood. I'll post new lists when people aren't breathing down my neck at work.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 7, 2009 7:57:27 GMT -5
To be frank, Footslogging sisters only becomes useful in Apocalypse. You take Holy War and march towards your enemy, laughing mockingly as every model in your army becomes Relentless.
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Post by Melissia on Sept 7, 2009 8:04:43 GMT -5
And even that's not really that great, as they still only have heavy bolters and multi-meltas, and they have to be in no-man's-land or their opponent's deployment.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 7, 2009 9:51:56 GMT -5
I like the numbers, though. The 2000point list below outnumbers my new guard army. OK, so my guard have 5 tanks (a Punisher, an Exterminator, an Executioner, a Hellhound and a Devil Dog), but the sisters have 121 infantry at the same points cost. All with power armour, and twelve heavy bolters to make guard equivalent lives a misery. 1500 points HQ Canoness - inferno pistol, cc wpn, frag grenades, Book of St Lucius + 5 Celestians - veteran sister superior - boltpistol, power weapon, bolters (x4), Imagifier Troops 20 Battle Sisters - veteran sister superior - boltpistol, cc, bolters(x17), meltagun (x2), frag grenades Troops 11 Battle Sisters - veteran sister superior - boltpistol, cc, bolters (x8), flamers (x2), frag grenades Troops 18 Battle Sisters - veteran sister superior - boltpistol, cc, bolters (x15), meltaguns (x2), frag grenades Troops 18 Battle Sisters - veteran sister superior - boltpistol, cc, bolters (x15), meltaguns (x2), frag grenades Heavy Support 10 Retributors - veteran sister superior - bolters, heavy bolters (x4), frag grenades Heavy Support 10 Retributors - veteran sister superior - bolters, heavy bolters (x4), frag grenades 2000 points HQ Canoness - Brazier of Holy Fire, power weapon, Book of St Lucius, frag grenades Troops 17 Battle Sisters - veteran sister superior - boltpistol, cc, bolters (x14), meltaguns (x2), frag grenades Heavy Support 10 Retributors - veteran sister superior - bolters, heavy bolters (x4), frag grenades I can stop typing. I'm happy now
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Post by Melissia on Sept 7, 2009 11:14:22 GMT -5
Drop the frag grenades on the Battle Sisters Squads. Your Sisters aren't gonna be that great in assault anyway without Hand of the Emperor, and so it's really not worth paying those 67 points. Use those points on, say, give your Canoness an Eviscerator or Blessed Weapon.
Seriously, Canonesses just aren't good enough in close combat without them, and they don't have the equipment choices to be good out of close combat.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 7, 2009 11:37:34 GMT -5
I quite like the grenades on the troop choices. If anything the Retributors don't need them as they will hopefully be in cover with a good vantage point for shooting.
Eviscerators...I thought they were only for ecclesiarchy priests. I'll read up on this tonight. If I can take them then that's good news. The lack of powerfists in the W/H codex is depressing. Also I would have to convert it. I'm thinking of the female inquisitors to represent the canonesses, as everyone has the normal canoness model.
Thanks for all the advice, by the way.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 7, 2009 12:13:43 GMT -5
Yeah, but the female =I= is not an attractive mini, whereas the canoness is, save for the bionic eye.
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Post by Melissia on Sept 7, 2009 12:24:24 GMT -5
Eviscerators are able to be taken by ay squad leader of the Adepta Sororitas, or the HQ choices.
Also, just pick a chainsword model and call it an eviscerator.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 7, 2009 12:30:22 GMT -5
Just give it a fancy paint job to make it stand out.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 8, 2009 9:37:59 GMT -5
OK, so minus the frag grenades from 30 retributors gives me exactly enough points for a Blessed Weapon. This is good. It's like a Smurf Relic Blade that's used one-handed. I'll give that to the first Canoness to replace the close combat weapon. I'm now 10 points over on the 1500 list, so minus one Battle Sister from that and just add her back for 1750 or 2k games.
I think the 2000 point list is sorted out, now. Thank you for your advice. More on this project in the future. It will be slower to collect than normal, because most stuff has to be ordered from direct.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 8, 2009 9:52:57 GMT -5
The BW is two-handed.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 8, 2009 11:03:30 GMT -5
Hmm. She can still have it, but then wouldn't get the bonus from the inferno pistol. Damn!
Maybe those grenades are better...
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Post by Melissia on Sept 8, 2009 12:59:05 GMT -5
They aren't. Retributors and Battle Sisters are WS3 / S3 / I3, they're basically Guardsmen in close combat (with better armor saves and leadership) unless you use an Act of Faith. On large squads, the only one that actually has a chance of working is Hand of the Emperor. HotE changes their initiative to 1 anyway, nullifying the need for Frag Grenades in the first place.
And seriously, every single squad should have a Book of St. Lucius. To have a squad without it is like having a Marine squad without ATSKNF.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 8, 2009 13:02:48 GMT -5
The only units that don't automatically get frags, and who still need them, are in the eldar and dark eldar codecies.
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Post by druchi on Sept 8, 2009 16:43:01 GMT -5
Our houserules are usually cahrchters with acces to two handed weaponry are so badass they can weild it with one.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 8, 2009 17:35:35 GMT -5
I would accept that for people with S4 and up.
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Post by Melissia on Sept 8, 2009 18:27:31 GMT -5
I would accept that for things like blessed weapons and etc which don't reduce initiative to 1.
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Post by cheminhaler on Sept 9, 2009 7:10:25 GMT -5
It's one-handed. I checked the armoury section yesterday. This means its a master crafted power weapon with +2 strength, used in one hand. Perfect! Melissia - Doesn't Book of St Lucius just transmit leadership? If so then why give them to veteran sister superiors? Their squads are already Ld 9. The canonesses have them to give Ld 10 to those around them.
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Post by Melissia on Sept 9, 2009 8:29:03 GMT -5
The Book of St. Lucius provides the ability to use the UNMODIFIED leadership of the carrier to any model within 6" of the carrier, for all morale and pinning checks.
It's basicly Stubborn on steroids.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Sept 9, 2009 8:34:36 GMT -5
It's one-handed. I checked the armoury section yesterday. This means its a master crafted power weapon with +2 strength, used in one hand. Perfect! Are we looking at the same pg. 20? On mine, the blessed weapon is the first thing under the words "Two-handed Weapons."
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