A Grey Knights Question???

[norge187]

Okay so I just recently purchased the Daemon Hunters codex to add some flavor to my very unfluffy Guard regiment and I have many questions. So here goes. Bear in mind I have no rulebook in front of me just both codex's. I'm house sitting and forgot the damn rule book ahhh...

I run a combined 30 man squad which currently is ran by a commissar. If I switched out the commissar and ran a Brother Captain and had him join that squad would all the little special rules follow. The only one I'm worried about is the Fearless special rule. The reason I'm asking is because it is an allied unit that is attaching itself to the combined platoon of 30 men. Would the "Shrouding" special rule cover the entire combined squad as well?

I also thought of just using a stock standard Inquisitor from the Elite slot to give my combined platoon some real hitting power aswell. Just not sure if thats the way I want to go....

Also would adding a Psychic hood and Word of the Emperor be a waste of points considering this combined squad would be ushered forward at all cost's. I also thought of adding a Ministorum Priest to the combined squad to get that extra die roll. Hence why I thought Word of the Emperor would be a decent insurance policy to insure i'm the one that assualts. That and the points cost isn't that horrible and everything else psychic wise doesn't appeal to me.

One last thing before I crash for the night. Would using 10 Grey Knights Purgation squad and give them teleport and use up a fast attack slot be a waste? Playing math hammer in my head all day and I trully think a squad of ten with of course a Justicar could seriously do some damage in the rear of just about anybody. I dunno though it seem's awfully expensive to use them as a cause of distraction just to let the rest of my army move on objectives. I dunno what are ya'll's thoughts???

[norge187]

okay after a telephone conversation, the only way I can get special rules is to use a inquisitor lord with iron will. Only problem his retinue will have to be shot out from under him in order for me to do it. Oh well......

[Makarova (M.I.A)]

I hate that enforced retinue with passion. It ruins everything!

Anyways...

10 teleporting Grey's sounds fairly nice, but personally I'd make that 5 Terminators, because I think that in general ordinary Grey Knights kind of suck for their points cost, and that their Termies are one of the best heavy infantry units in the game. I wrote a little Pros/Cons on them both a while ago, I'll go go through the basics of it here.

- Grey Knights can only take as much damage as your ordinary marine, have good equipment but not good enough statistics to use them properly, and are generally awkward and expensive. Lame models too.

- GK Terminators can take a hell lot of more damage, while not being severely more expensive (cost as much as a common SM one, I think. It's a 4 and a 0 put together in a suitable way). They have all the benefits of a common Termie, but the addition of being Fearless, having snazzy special rules, better statistics, and Nemesis weapons that ignore armour. That's a lot of S6 Ini4 power weapon attacks. It's utter, sheer DEATH for anything infantry, particularly against MEQ's. Their models are also some of the sweetest in the game.

I should mention that these are just my personal opinions and experiences though, I've never actually used any kind of GK's myself, only fought against them.

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Shrouding will not work as the unit needs to have Shrouding in order to get the benefit, nor will the Brother Captain's Fearless work if the unit he joins is not also Fearless. His Aegis armour should work, however, as its a counter to psychic attacks targeting unit he's in.

If you do an Elite Inquisitor as a unit attachment, giving him a Null Rod allows the whole unit to ignore all Psychic abilities, which is cool.

The DH Psychic Hood is great only if taken with a GK Hero or an Inquisitor Lord, since a LD8 Psychic Hood is functionally useless. Word of the Emperor can be handy if used correctly.

Lastely, you cannot give a Purgation Squad the ability to teleport, but you can take a power armoured Grey Knight squad as Fast Attack choice which does allow them to teleport per the Deep Strike rules. This is a great option and its only real downside is that the unit is no longer scoring.

SJ

[norge187]

yeah i found out about the shrouding and all the other special rules after I posted the first time so I was a little bummed.

Ah I see what I did about the purgation squad, I meant the Grey knights as troops. Yep thats called me with too much beer lol. Yeah all these options seem great until I start adding on stuff and before I know if I have exceeded the 500pt's that i'm only wanting to use out of my 2000pt build.

I'll post a mock up army list of what the 500pts will be tomorrow. I will also put a brief description of what I want the other 1500 will do. Maybe I can make sense of all these upgrades and little goodies that cost so damn much to have in the DH codex.

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An excellent GK add-on to any Imperial list, be it Marine or Guard, is a 5-knight GKT squad with 2 psycannons at 300pts even (taken as either an HQ or Elite) and a 7-knight PAGK with no upgrades at 200pts (taken as either a Troop or a Fast Attack selection). 500pts even, a lot of flexibility with the best mix of mobility, dakka, and close combat punch.

SJ

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norge, does your local gaming place follow RAW or RAI to the main extent? Because it's technically legal to use grey knight marines and a Valkyrie scout move to gain a first turn charge.

I would explain how you can do this with 10 GKT's but I won't because everyone will shout at me.

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GKT's cannot embark on Valkyries, per the recent IG FAQ. PAGK, however, definitely can.

SJ

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Nov 29, 2009 5:24:57 GMT -5 @jeffersonian000 said:

GKT's cannot embark on Valkyries, per the recent IG FAQ. PAGK, however, definitely can.

SJ

Aww, they fixed the GKT thing?

Good to see that PAGK's are still viable. Still, I would not be surprised if an opponent would refuse to play against anyone in future if you pulled a priest+PAGK in valk. It's so good it's obscene.

[Ymmot (M.I.A)]

Sounds like a prime target for the pieplates.

You cannot assault after you deepstrike or disembark.

Though I guess it is possible to assault without getting shot to bits if you scout and have the first turn...which I think is what you may be referring to.