Veterens vs Stormtroopers

[skizoman333]

Many people seem to overlook the humble veteren squad for the "superior" Stormtrooper squad, and im curious as to why!
the veterens are pretty similar to stormtroopers apart from a few key differences:
Stormtroops better save (okay obvious)
Vets can take 3 special weapons+heavy weapon
Vets can already infiltrate

So again back to the original question: What do u prefer and why

[Deleted]

Stormtroopers for me...the armour save to me is a must...because then...i could survive longer on the field. 2 special weapons in a squad is fine with me...and storm troopers can be taklen in as troops....+ fer an extra 1point per model..we can either infiltrate or deepstrike and they come with frag and krak grenades too

[Deleted]

I take veterans, as with the carapace armour doctrine the veterands merely equal stormtroopers, but exchange the Hellgun's AP5 for infultrating, heavy weapons, and 3 special weapons. Since i play against marines, necrons, and witchhunters, the hellgun is pointless for me.

[majorjav]

I say Vets!!!
I like them because of the 3 special weapons, heavy weapon,vet sarge with power fist, the fact that they can have all the doctrines...and they are fun to convert!!!

[Deleted]

In a codex army i would say stormtroopers have the egde because of their armour and deep strike ability, and you can have three squads. If your using doctrines, like me, then veterans win hands down. I play jungle fighters, so one squad has vet sarge with power fist, 2 meltas, 1 flamer and 4 shotguns with hardened fighters doctrine. These guys rock. Most success so far was taking down a 5 man raptor squad and then mauling a 6 man berserker squad. I run another squad with 3 plasmas, 4 lasguns and a powerfist. They cause a lot of pain and are so flexible being able to outshoot most things while having a punch (no pun intended ) in close combat.

[Warmaster Stabwhiskers]

Stormies because they look cool

[Deleted]

Stormtroopers all the way. When you've got 3 squads of Grenadiers already, it's the only elites choice.

[knight (M.I.A)]

Stormies are nice and I use 1 squad, but vets win as they already have infiltrate, have a wider variety of weapon options and can have more special weapons and the option to take a heavy weapon.
So tha better AP of the stormies is countered by the many special and heavy weapon choices and the better armor save is countered by built in infiltrating

[Woz]

I don't think there is a best. I use both in my army and they each play a different roll.

The vets have 3 Grenade Launchers and a Missile Launcher. They sit back in cover and take out targets. Their better BS makes them slightly more reliable.

The Stormies (with two meltaguns) deep strikes and takes out enemy armour or dreadnoughts. As they normally turn up in the open behind enemy lines their extra armour lets them survive just a little bit longer. + the entire squad can be equipped with meltabombs.

[Warmaster Stabwhiskers]

Ok thing abt it, whats better, if you're trained from the start as shock troops or if you fight your way across wartorn battlefields?

[Woz]

Storm troopers have to prove themselves on the battlefield as regular troopers before they get picked for training as a Storm Trooper.

It's like the SAS, you don't just join the SAS, you join one of the normal regiments and if you're good enough then you get picked for the SAS.

Storm Troopers are well disaplined Veterans before they get pick for "special" training. The Vets in 40k are more the kind of guys that have been around a while, picked up a few tricks and learnt how to survive on the battlefield. But these guys aren't as well disaplined, they don't always follow orders (as a storm trooper would), the Officers only put up with them because when it comes to fighting they get the done.

[Warmaster Stabwhiskers]

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[knight (M.I.A)]

Not completly correct Woz. Grenadiers have to prove themselves as normal troops before being chosen for the "elite squads".
Stormtroopers are getting trained by the Schola Progenium like commissars. So for some reason young men and women get chosen by the Schola Progenium to become either Stormtroopers or Commissars.
Grenadiers = normal forces comparable to SWAT, SEALs, SAS, GSG9, KSK and other special units
Stormtroopers = elite forces that can be assigned by the Adeptus Munitiorum, so getting Stormtroopers is a sort of privilege that can be taken away any time. (don't know of any RL counterpart)

[Deleted]

im with knight on this one, ive read that somewhere... Stormtroopers remindme of that movie Soldier, with Kurt Russel... they take the kids at birth and train them into elite, extremely disciplined soldiers

[skizoman333]

aaah thats the old Spartan soldiers, taken from birth and trained into hardass's
Veterens appeal to me cos..well they got a better fluff goin on. They've been around, know the tricks and dont take any crap from no-one. The remind me of Kat, from "all quiet on the Western Front"

Stormies can be just as cool, but its the privilaged status that i dont like. Vets are "the peoples" soldiers to me lol

But yeah, i agree with woz, i nvr reli thought of playing stormies and vets, but i understand how they both have different strenghts and weaknesses. Its nice that they have have both been improved on

[9th Company]

I go for veterans every time for their extra special weapon. Plus I think there is a doctrine where you can give units carapace armour. So, for the 2 points you save per veteran you can spend on that doctine (which I think is xxpts per squad) giving you a save x+ veteran squad with 3 special weapons.


Plus I just like being able to convert them.

[Woz]

cdb said:

I go for veterans every time for their extra special weapon. Plus I think there is a doctrine where you can give units carapace armour. So, for the 2 points you save per veteran you can spend on that doctine (which I think is xxpts per squad) giving you a save x+ veteran squad with 3 special weapons.


Plus I just like being able to convert them.

Thats Ok for 10 man squads but what if you only want to take 5 man squads? you'll still have to pay XX pts for the extra armour save which'll make each man even more expensive.

[Deleted]

Both are great units, deciding on which unit is best for each person's playing style and theme. I use storm troopers because I dont have enough docterine points to both take the veterans and drop troops docterines. So I take the stormtroopers docterine instead. By taking the drop troops docterine would give my army the ability to drop troop which doesnt work well with my composition, for tournaments at my local game store.

Storm troopers upgraded armor and weapon ap is quite usefull. The ap of the hellgun has proven valuable to me in the past. However, the veterans ability to take 3 plasma guns and the seargant to take a plasma pistol for a total of 4 plasma weapons that could possibly deepstrike. This can get really expensive. Perhaps you just want to infiltrate them.

Each choice is really a factor of playing style, point restrictions, and theme.

[telecustom]

I actually use both depending on the what part of my army I field. I've got like 10k in guard i can field at one time. I use my Stormtrooper the most only because I'm use to them. When I field my Vets people always asks losts of question because they are not use to seeing anything other than Stormtroopers.

[Deleted]

dang, I only have 4k of Guard

[Deleted]

Vets are best for supporting your troops cause of the fact that they can take alot of special weapons but stormtroopers are usually the way to go when yu need something specific done(ie-tank killing)

[Deleted]

I use vets with my Valhallen army and take all 3 squads if i can afford them.I usually take 5 in a squad 1 vet sgt with bolt pistol and power sword, 3 plasmas and a missile launcher.I infiltrate them if i can if not i put them back in the gun line.Now that i think about that it is kind of cheesy, what do you guys think about that ?
I take the S.T's with my Harakoni force and again take 5 guys but 1 melta and 1 flamer and the vet sgt with a bolt pistol and power sword.
I think i like the vets better becouse they can take more weapons and the auto infiltrate( if the scenario allows) is nice.

[Deleted]

I say Storm Troopers all the way. Mabye its just the people i play against but they hate the idea of ordinary guardsmen with special skills and they just target them first. Saying that though i have both Stormies and Vets, overall they are both pretty good but Stormies are way more durable.