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Post by Julian Sharps on Feb 21, 2010 11:34:21 GMT -5
Well, I figured that before I try to update the Dark Eldar codex to 5th edition I should at least know what I'm doing and learn to play with the current one. With that in mind I have scoured the web, looking for advice on how to construct a Dark Eldar list (there wasn't much, truth be told). This is the result:
Kabal of the Howling Jackal
HQ: The Black Jackal (Archon) 155
Punisher, Tormentor Helm, Shadow Field, Trophy Rack, Hell Mask, Jetbike
Troops: Raider Squad 145
Warrior w/ Splinter Cannon
9x Warriors
Raider
Troops: Raider Squad 145
Warrior w/ Splinter Cannon
9x Warriors
Raider
Troops: Raider Squad 145
Warrior w/ Splinter Cannon
9x Warriors
Raider
Troops: Raider Squad 145
Warrior w/ Splinter Cannon
9x Warriors
Raider
Heavy Support: Ravager w/ Night Shield 125
Heavy Support: Ravager w/ Night Shield, 3x Disintegrators 140
1000-point total: 1000
HQ: The White Dominatrix (Wych Dracite) 105
Agonizer, Animus Vitae, Combat Drugs, Trophy Rack
HQ: The White Scars (Dracite Wych Retinue) 207
2x Wyches w/ Blasters
6x Wyches
All models have wych weapons and plasma grenades (including Dracite)
Raider w/ Horrorfex, Scaling Nets
Elites: Warp Beast Pack 63
Beastmaster
4x Warp Beasts
Heavy Support: Ravager w/ Night Shield 125
1500-point total: 1500
Elites: The Bloodletters (Wych Team) 255
Succubus w/ Punisher, Tormentor Helm, Trophy Rack, Soul Seeker Ammunition
2x Wyches w/ Blasters
5x Wyches
All models have wych weapons and plasma grenades
Raider w/ Horrorfex, Scaling Nets
Fast Attack: Reaver Squadron 145
2x Reavers w/ Blasters
3x Reavers
Fast Attack: Reaver Squadron 100
4x Reavers
2000-point total: 2000
Comments?
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Feb 21, 2010 13:48:07 GMT -5
Don't waste your points on scaling nets, and every raider should have a horrorfex.
Reavers are kind of iffy... although if the drachon is on one, that's better.
Other than that, not bad. I have to say though, I wonder why you don't have incubi in here... they're among the best cc units of the game.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Feb 21, 2010 15:17:34 GMT -5
Considering that my local metagame is largely Tau and Space Marines, I have a feeling that my Wyches should do the trick as far as close combat is concerned. Also, I can't mount Incubi on jetbikes, and since Wych Lords can't take Incubi retinues, they are sadly missing from this list (besides, the Wyches are there for fluff purposes, too).
Unfortunately, dropping the scaling nets means I'll have to add something else to the Wyches, and I'm rapidly running out of upgrades.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Feb 21, 2010 15:37:20 GMT -5
Alright!
*Cracks open the old DE codex...careful not to let the loose pages fall out.*
5 points over your limit on gear for the Archon(they can only take up to 100 points worth of wargear...though after careful reading perhaps the weapons are not included in this limit...so you might be fine with that after all.)
Hm...I also agree with what Requiem said about the upgrades and do not believe that squeezing everything in there just to fill up points is a wise idea...but I understand if you are trying to reach a set limit.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Feb 21, 2010 15:50:49 GMT -5
So, am I correct in assuming that I can take a normal Lord and a Wych Lord in the same list as long as the Wych Lord is not the highest ranking character in my list?
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Feb 21, 2010 15:57:49 GMT -5
I took a good hard look at that as wellland as the wych lord is not leading the army and you did not make any changes to your list that would make it a wych cult...
I think you're alright how it is.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Feb 21, 2010 16:56:00 GMT -5
I don't think the night shields are going to help too much against those two armies, either. Not that they'll be useless, but I don't think they'll be entirely worth it.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Feb 22, 2010 12:14:45 GMT -5
OK, I finally got my hands on a copy of the Dark Eldar codex version 2 (I'd been using a PDF of the original version along with an update sheet I found on the web), and I'm glad that I did, because it saved me around 20 points or so in wych weapon and plasma grenade costs. I also got rid of the night fields (especially since they'll provide no protection against Tau railguns, which are the bane of Dark Eldar mechanized lists). The most recent updated list is as follows:
HQ: The Black Jackal (Archon) 155
Punisher, Tormentor Helm, Shadow Field, Reaver Jetbike, Hell Mask, Trophy Rack
Fast Attack: The Pack (Reaver Jetbike Squadron) 145
2x Reavers w/ Blasters
3x Reavers
Troops: Raider Squad 145
Warrior w/ Splinter Cannon
9x Warriors
Raider
Troops: Raider Squad 145
Warrior w/ Splinter Cannon
9x Warriors
Raider
Troops: Raider Squad 145
Warrior w/ Splinter Cannon
9x Warriors
Raider
Troops: Raider Squad 145
Warrior w/ Splinter Cannon
9x Warriors
Raider
Heavy Support: Ravager w/ 3x Disintegrators 120
1000-point total: 1000
HQ: The White Dominatrix (Wych Dracite) 162
Agonizer, Animus Vitae, Combat Drugs, Trophy Rack, Webway Portal, wych weapons, plasma grenades
HQ: The White Scars (Dracite Wych Retinue) 233
Succubus w/ Punisher, Tormentor Helm, Splinter Pistol, Haywire Grenades
2x Wyches w/ Blasters
6x Wyches
All models have wych weapons and plasma grenades
Raider w/ Horrorfex
Heavy Support: Ravager 105
1500-point total: 1500
Elites: The Bloodletters (Wych Team) 260
Succubus w/ Splinter Rifle, Agonizer, Tormentor Helm, Trophy Rack, Xenospasm
9x Wyches
All models have wych weapons and plasma grenades
Raider w/ Horrorfex
Heavy Support: Ravager w/ 3x Disintegrators 120
Fast Attack: Reaver Squadron 120
2x Reavers w/ Blasters
2x Reavers
2000-point total: 2000
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Feb 22, 2010 12:28:19 GMT -5
Cool. I still think that every raider should have a horrorfex. You gotta in those pesky enemy squads to give the wyches time to get into cc unmolested. And that's only viable with pinning test spam.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Feb 22, 2010 17:36:44 GMT -5
With any luck, I'll be testing this list before the week is out. It'll be interesting, to be sure.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Feb 23, 2010 22:45:04 GMT -5
OK, I ran the 1,000 point list against Tau (Spearhead Seize Ground, 5 objectives) and got tabled. In my defense, I gave him a hell of a fight, this was my first outing with the Black Jackal and I managed to hold three objectives for 5 turns despite heavy fire from battlesuits and fire warriors. I also claimed a six-man Fire Warrior team in one round of close combat (not a great achievement, since it cost me my Reavers and Archon, but the point still stands).
The problem I ran into was that I kept encountering massed pulse rifle fire which I was unable to deal with appropriately. Thus, I have dropped a Reaver from the Pack and outfitted every Raider and Ravager with a Horrorfex. I also did not take as much advantage of my mobility as I should have; what I should have done on turn one was turbo-boost my Reavers behind his lines and split his fire so that my Raiders wouldn't have been shot down as quickly as they were. I also forgot about my Reaver Drugs, which actually wouldn't have helped anyway since they don't exactly need close combat buffs against the Bluies. I should probably get better with jetbikes, too.
All in all, it certainly could have gone worse.
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Feb 23, 2010 23:06:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a fine first outing with the DE...I suggest you get accustomed to getting tabled for awhile...at least until you get the swing of things.
It is not an forgiving army to play with...those little bastards will bite you for even the smallest mistake...but sooner or later they will surprise you, and when that happens it is epic.
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