A Question of Tactics - Scout Rule

1) Yes
2) A valid tactic
3) P.S. I have no idea if it is wrong...seems ok to me..
4) P.P.S. I'm pretty sure they do...can someone check the rulebook in the fast vehicles and post an answer?

Question 4: Only Fast Skimmers can gain that Cover Save, and it's just 4+, not the 3+ that Turbo-Boosting Bikes get.

"Shooting at Skimmers", Pg. 71.

4+ cover save, check!

@vlad
yes, that's why i ask if you can then move it once again on your regular turn. this way, you move the valk flat out on the scout move up to outside of the 12" distance, and gain the cover save. then on your turn, you move it again, bringing it to within the 12" distance for the melta-guns to gain the extra D6 for armor penetration.

yes, good points, Macfeegle.
yeah, i forgot to factor in the possibility of getting charged by other infantry. shows my inexperience in the game, huh?
is it within 6"? i understood the rule for it was half range or less. which would put it at 6" and less for meltaguns. i'll have to dig up the rulebook.
and this discussion is beginning to fit into this board. i truly appreciate the knowledge you guys share.

blackarmchair. Thank you for the reference. I have always been on the side of the scout move being a move, nice to see someone else come down on my side of the debate.

@darien. Have you considered the use of the Valk's move to dump a Vets squad with Primaris Psyker on the flank? If the Vets have Grenade Launchers, they can cause some damage, and the Psyker has decent range on his Lightning power too.

Alternatively, you could drop off a Psyker Battle Squad, again a nasty surprise, especially when backed up by a Valk firing Rocket pods and Multilas. Mulitple blasts falling amongst the units on that flank, not nice.

I'm loving the variety of the Valks with their abiity to Deep Strike, Outflank or Scout move. The only thing that is missing is having firing ports on the thing - would that be too much?

Oh, I totally agree with you Fatuous, it is just that people disagree over whether the move gives the save for moving fast. I say it does, and as blackarmchair stated, it is exactly like a normal move. I'm with the invulnerable save..

...the great thing about moving at 12" in a Valk, you get the 4+ save AND you get to shoot one weapon plus supporting...ie, Multilas+Rocket pods. He he he! (I think that's correct...pick me up on the 12" = 4+ save please if I'm incorrect)

I'm sure that i read that u do indeed get the save. but htink it was in various codex errata docs on the GW site. Will check, but pretty sure the smurf bikes may have been the example that they used.

I would feel like an Eldar player for sure!

I need to get a few Valks, they seem super sexy!

shengami - you cannot disembark troops as part of a scout move. Ever.

You can of course disembark them after the scout move if you have first turn and then do all the things that are allowed by disembarking prior to a vehicle moving.

@sgtdude. The rule you are looking for I believe is where it says "if a unit with this ability is deployed inside a dedicated transport vehicle it confers the scout ability to the transport."

If they move and disembark that would be an invalid move as they have "transferred" the scout ability to the transport they are in and therefore do not get their own move (which disembarkation is) as well.

Also, he is only doing this with his Pathfinders right? You can try the "you moved by disembarking therefore your markerlights can't be used...if that doesn't stick, use my cheese below.

I hope that helps.

I guess you do have an alternative.

Valkyrie + HW team. Deploy, scout 24", disembark, attempt to steal the initiative (if you haven't got first turn) and then fire the HW teams....after all, they haven't actually moved in the first turn of the game really have they? Yeah, it is cheese, but so is what they are doing.

@sgtdude - I was actually making the point that if they are deploying from the devilfish and then using markerlights (a heavy weapon) then they are breaking the rules anyway and the counter would be to deploy HW teams. It is cheese to answer their cheese. In other words, it stinks!

I would never actually use it unless my opponent insisted it was legal - and even then I would only play it against that opponent.

Here's a Saturday-night special for you - have a couple of Special weapon squads with a 2 melta and demo charge loadout. Have one on the Valk at the start of the game, drop it off on the first turn (after you've scouted the Valk), One dead tank or enemy unit, and a problem hanging around that needs to be addressed, then send the Valk back for the second unit.
And repeat.