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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on Jun 26, 2009 10:18:32 GMT -5
The thing needs to be rending. Having something with that fire-rate and not rending just doesn't make sense to me. The assault cannon is only 4 and it is rending!
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Post by control on Jun 30, 2009 3:52:04 GMT -5
I dunno, despite it being bad and all, it just looks too cool! I´m gonna buy one asap.
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Post by druchi on Jun 30, 2009 8:40:12 GMT -5
You just won at Warhammer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 12:43:15 GMT -5
yep it is people like that( john galt) that lets them(gw) make crappy stat'd cool figs, that have no purpose, and we flock to get them. i think if it had rending then it would be worthwhile investment. simple fix that could make it useful, especially with pask in the cockpit. that could put 3 unsaveable wounds, plus 10 savable ones in a single turn of shooting. that would be pretty good
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Jun 30, 2009 18:56:54 GMT -5
and with rending on a punisher we can glance a landraider with enough 6's
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Post by darienfaust on Jun 30, 2009 21:25:53 GMT -5
there will always be enough 6's on a punisher
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Post by fatuous on Jul 1, 2009 8:08:44 GMT -5
Dunno, rending on a H20 weapon would be a bit much I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 11:03:45 GMT -5
well for tyhe p[oint cost, it fits really well.
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on Jul 1, 2009 11:20:19 GMT -5
yep it is people like that( john galt) that lets them(gw) make crappy stat'd cool figs, that have no purpose, and we flock to get them.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 1, 2009 11:33:14 GMT -5
Hint - another fast way to suicide is to insult a Grammissar in my prescence, bomatic. Oh, and putting numbers in your username is very, very silly.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 1, 2009 11:34:15 GMT -5
Well, gets written down as suicide on the coroner's report...
Could you explain that comment a little more, Bomatic3?
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Post by kitly on Jul 3, 2009 6:09:22 GMT -5
ive been thinking: even tho its AP- orks still only have 6+ sv, and im sure there ar othe things with bad saves..... this means that lots of stuff will die, if u pick the right targets tho rending would be cool..........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2009 22:57:58 GMT -5
with the newest White Dwarf (the planestrike one) they really use propaganda to try and help the punisher out.
in the end they say how great it is that it withstood so much for 4 turns, while eventually on the 5 turn is able to wipe out 3-4 Shining Spears. 3-4 shining spears dont even cover the cost of the Punisher....
the Punisher is a great idea, but Games Workshop really didnt give it a pontential, again with what people have said in the past, the game has so many cover saves now that it becomes a useless machine.
the only way i see a Punisher doing a moderate job is shelling down a monstrous creature or IC. being that statistically 20 shots with BS3 becomes 10 hits, and then it varies form there but would usually be around 5 that wound, with that a 3+ save (we go against that a lot) will save around 3 of those.....
-Panzer
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 5, 2009 0:36:57 GMT -5
What if the punisher ignored cover? Do I smell a house rule?
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 5, 2009 0:54:40 GMT -5
You know, with the rate of fire it puts out, it really should ignore cover. A few tree branches aren't really going to help against a couple hundred shots pouring into them.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 5, 2009 6:49:23 GMT -5
Yeah, but so does the Eradicator, and that has better range and can kill armoured-ish targets.
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Post by verminard on Jul 5, 2009 8:37:12 GMT -5
You know, I think its more useful in a cover rich environment. More shots mean more cover saves (except marines) and when everyone gets the same cover save from your russ, it may fare better than some of the other types.
Didn't math hammer it yet, but it may be worth factoring in a sandbag wall or something.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jul 5, 2009 10:48:09 GMT -5
Again - the Eradicator is cheaper, has longer range and better killing power.
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Post by Melissia on Jul 5, 2009 12:59:41 GMT -5
But fewer shots. Four versus twenty.
I agree the punisher is inefficient, but still, it's not completely useless, it's just highly situational.
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Post by WestRider on Jul 5, 2009 13:19:23 GMT -5
They need to name fewer of these variants things starting with 'e' It's the Exterminator that gets 4 Shots. The Eradicator has single Large Ordnance Blast that Ignores Cover.
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Jul 5, 2009 13:31:37 GMT -5
Next Guard book they'll be putting out the Exclimator and the Examiner. Don't forget the Exterior pattern Russ.
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Post by verminard on Jul 5, 2009 15:07:56 GMT -5
Yea, and all of them are refered to as Extortion Russ after the price hike.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jul 5, 2009 17:39:35 GMT -5
Yea, and all of them are refered to as Extortion Russ after the price hike. Greatness was just spoken here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 0:53:13 GMT -5
from my experiences,
a Leman Russ Punisher is a waste of its points, maybe if it was the same as a LRBT. even then i dont think id like it.
-Panzer
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Post by Ignatius on Jul 16, 2009 1:53:58 GMT -5
I think that the Punisher is ok. Its not great, but it gets the job done (usually) for me.
Nothing is more satisfying than saying "ok my punisher is going to shoot that guant squad" *gathers dice, watches as opponent gasps in horror as he realizes that all 20 dice are from the punisher*
.... ;D
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