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Post by Trickstick on Jun 27, 2011 6:31:36 GMT -5
Back on topic, an IoM fury interceptor is 70m in length, with a crew of three, sleeping quarters and a toilet. It is basically a small gunship compared to the tie fighter. My money is on them.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 27, 2011 9:58:32 GMT -5
A target the size of a small/medium freighter is fair game for turbolasers. Back to the Carrack-class cruisers!
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Post by Laughing Man on Jun 27, 2011 10:33:03 GMT -5
Lancer Class frigates also still have a roll. Imperial Torpedoes are 30 metres long, Lancer class frigates with their arrays of quadlasers designed to take out starfighters will make perfect any ordnance pickets.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jun 27, 2011 10:53:21 GMT -5
A target the size of a small/medium freighter is fair game for turbolasers. Not if it has the manoeuvrability of a fighter, it isn't. |
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Post by Laughing Man on Jun 27, 2011 11:13:49 GMT -5
I think a more interesting fight would be the Yuuzhan Vong vs the Imperium of Man.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 27, 2011 11:57:04 GMT -5
A target the size of a small/medium freighter is fair game for turbolasers. Not if it has the manoeuvrability of a fighter, it isn't. It's debatable just how maneuverable you can make a ship of that size. There's no way it can match an x-wing, or similar, and turbolasers could find those when the pilots weren't on their game. Nevertheless, I stand by my assessment that straight martial power is not the deciding factor in this contest, but rather the mobility and communications networks. I liken it to a "assault marine vs tank" engagement. If the tank doesn't know the marine is coming, there's just nothing it can do but hope the armor holds until support arrives. |
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 27, 2011 13:03:23 GMT -5
And that the Assault Marine forgot to pack his melta bombs.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 27, 2011 14:00:28 GMT -5
And that the Assault Marine forgot to pack his death star. Fixed. |
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Post by Trickstick on Jun 27, 2011 19:54:39 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter if you are a massive target if you are a few hundred km away. The ranges in star wars are all woefully small compared to what the Imperium has as standard. The fat that the ships can visually see eachother means that they are basically next to eachother.
A star wars ship fight, represented in Gothic, would have the entire fight within an area the size of a model's base. It looks pretty on film but is just silly in space combat.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 27, 2011 20:47:29 GMT -5
True, but the ranges on most fighter-mounted weapons are the same woeful closeness in 40K.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 27, 2011 21:03:03 GMT -5
The fact that the ships can visually see each other means that they are basically next to eachother. ...I believe the topic was space fighter comparison right now....and dogfights in both universes generally take place within visual range. Besides, I think we've been over this. GE ships have absurdly short range, but in return, have extremely large amounts of weapons with basically infinite ammo, and are absurdly nimble compared to IoM ships. |
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Post by Empirespy on Jun 28, 2011 15:28:38 GMT -5
How did the empire lose? If it was so big, then how did the destruction of the death star, being only 1 (although big) weapon, which would have been relatively small in the scale of things.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jun 28, 2011 15:51:48 GMT -5
I never understood that whole "humans as a power source" thing from the matrix. What do they feed them on? Other humans? Then you have a system that losses energy very rapidly. If you have to feed them from another source then you just use that instead. Yes. I believe that Morpheus explains to Neo that the dead are liquified and fed back to the living at some point in the first movie. Entropy always increases... |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 28, 2011 16:22:44 GMT -5
How did the empire lose? If it was so big, then how did the destruction of the death star, being only 1 (although big) weapon, which would have been relatively small in the scale of things. Going to fill in the blank on the rest of that, and assume you're asking why the Empire lost due to having the Death Stars blown up by the Rebellion. Short answer: it wasn't the loss of the two massive money sinks, so much as losing all the real talent in their military at Endor. And the loss of the Emperor, who had been using Sith magic to enhance the performance of the Imperial military. After they also lost Coruscant, Isard, Thrawn, the Emperor reborn, and basically any hope of actually having an "Empire" when creating the Imperial Remnant, it was pretty much over. Shorter answer: X-wings are awesome, and fighter pilots win galaxy-spanning conflicts. Because seriously... a guy who isn't even a Jedi can paint two Death Stars on his fighter. That's the ultimate win. Bonus answer: You know who really won the Galactic Civil War? The Corporate Sector. |
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Post by Empirespy on Jun 28, 2011 16:32:59 GMT -5
Thanks, I don't follow the bit after the empire and it really skims over it in the film.
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Post by Trickstick on Jun 29, 2011 5:08:10 GMT -5
Thanks, I don't follow the bit after the empire and it really skims over it in the film. Everyone starts dancing. Dancing is anathema to represive regimes, so the empire was danced into oblivion. |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 29, 2011 10:01:07 GMT -5
I never thought of it that way. Let's hope the same does not apply to the Imperium and the harlequins.
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 29, 2011 12:21:43 GMT -5
Well the harlequins aren't nearly as numerous as all the dancing people in Star Wars....I think the IoM is safe.
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Post by Trickstick on Jun 29, 2011 17:51:16 GMT -5
The IoM is not safe, there must be at least one feral ratling planet out there. If the ewoks can topple the empire, what would feral ratlings manage to do?
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 29, 2011 18:03:30 GMT -5
Ewoks distracted the stormies enough for the people armed with actually threatening weapons to do damage. Seriously, stormtrooper armor was proof against just about everything except higher-end blasters and up.
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Jun 29, 2011 18:16:17 GMT -5
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 29, 2011 19:37:32 GMT -5
Ewoks distracted the stormies enough for the people armed with actually threatening weapons to do damage. Seriously, stormtrooper armor was proof against just about everything except higher-end blasters and up. Bonus points: The blaster that Han uses to one shot stormtroopers is a heavy blaster, specially designed to do so, but at the disadvantage that it has fewer shots to fire. The rebels are also known for stealing the blaster rifles that stormtroopers use (or just buying them off the black market). And of course, stormtrooper blasters are good against stormtrooper armor. Pretty much the only stormtroopers owned by the Ewoks (if memory serves), were the ones who thought being in a bi-pedal walker with really long legs was a good idea. (and the one who got hit in the neck joint with an arrow) Incidentally, the stormtroopers are pretty good soldiers outside of the movies. |
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Post by Julian Sharps on Jun 29, 2011 20:08:45 GMT -5
Incidentally, the stormtroopers are pretty good soldiers outside of the movies. Or any time that the main characters were not present. I again cite the opening battle of A New Hope and the entire Battle of Hoth as evidence of this. |
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Post by Kaikelx on Jun 29, 2011 21:12:13 GMT -5
Incidentally, the stormtroopers are pretty good soldiers outside of the movies. Or any time that the main characters were not present. I again cite the opening battle of A New Hope and the entire Battle of Hoth as evidence of this. If I remember right, the only rebels who had a chance in a stand-up fight against stormtroopers were rebel spec-ops. Back on the IoM vs GE, assuming the two ships got close enough, who would win in a boarding action? I'm thinking GE winning against Imperial Navy, because the GE space troops are equipped for vacuum, and can simply blow holes into the ship to expose it to space, and Space Marines winning against GE because...well...they're Space Marines. |
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Jun 29, 2011 22:03:12 GMT -5
If marines were not present (as they are wont to be), then the Empire would win. Stormies are depicted as brutally efficient in fluff, and immune to almost everything not on their level of development(which, remember, is basically plasma guns and everything as win in close quarters). And Imperial naval infantry as being even more hardcore than stormies. Short of spess murheenes, the Empire would kick serious ass with most of their infantry.
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