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Post by AshotNINJA on Nov 6, 2011 11:04:55 GMT -5
as some of you may know, ive been super busy making up my army and realise that when it comes to converting minis, not only have i bit off more than i can chew, but the costs are escalating considering that all my troops have some kind of conversion on them... im quite a fan of backpacks on my minis, and pouches etc... but for me to equipe everyone would either take weeks to sculpt singulary or buying several packs of conversion bits would break the bank a bit. anyway after browsing youtube at resin casting methods, i found a guide to using 'instant mold' ... ive seen the blister pack at my local shop and never though of asking what it was, but after seeing how easy it was to use on youtube, i straight away drove down to the shop and brought a few packs. if you havent heard of it, basically, its a special rubbery plastic that when put into boiling water, become mallable and can have itens press molded into it... when it cools down you have a very exact molding of the item you pressed ito it. the molds i have been making have been using greenstuff, but according to the manufactures, because nothing sticks to the instant mold rubber (so no mold release) GS, milliput, casting resin will all work and not stick ever... trust me its so good even i couldnt belive it first time. and when you dont need any more of the item your molding, just put the mold back into boiling water and it can be re-molded again and again.!!! anyway, im saving myself loads of theoretical cash by using instant mold and making plenty of items that i could had spent alot of cash on... obligitory pic ...   |
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Post by The Hawk! on Nov 6, 2011 11:34:46 GMT -5
Ashotninja............. You are a god send and I know propose to you...... A friendship ;D
This is amazing 0.0 I never knew how simple this was! I like your ideas :3 How much does this stuff cost?
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Post by AshotNINJA on Nov 6, 2011 11:45:56 GMT -5
the pack of 6 blocks cost me £12.99 which seemed pricey and didnt look like much but ive made about 10 seperate molds and still have 2 blocks left... plus the fact it can be reused wavers the price anyway IMO... oh and yay... i made a freind..  |
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Post by The Envoy (AWOL) on Nov 6, 2011 11:55:04 GMT -5
That may actually be a worthwhile investment...
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Post by 3ff3ct on Nov 6, 2011 11:55:24 GMT -5
Hmmmmm be careful of IP/Copyright infringement! This looks good though, my only question is: Does it stick to itself? Obviously incase you wanted to do something with a two-part mold process or similar, as then you'd have to get some mold release on the go  |
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Nov 6, 2011 12:10:35 GMT -5
This is quite possibly one of the most awesome things I have ever seen... If I can't find it in the States, could I prevail on you to buy me some, send it to me, and I'll reimburse you for the costs? Edit: I found a shop that sells it here in the States... Thanks for tipping us off to this amazing stuff, ashotninja! |
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Post by Empirespy on Nov 6, 2011 13:09:55 GMT -5
Yeah, on the same track as what 3ff3ct said, make sure you only use it for personal use, even giving them away to someone else would be strictly against the law, but as you keep yourself to yourself, you should be fine. I tried a similar thing back awhile ago, only I was sculpting the masters, unfortunately I can't sculpt  , and I used resin in the moulds. heads up to anyone wanting to find something like this, type silicon moulds into google, and you should get something. |
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Post by cheminhaler on Nov 6, 2011 13:10:49 GMT -5
Wow! The moulds look brilliant. Nice bits of equipment.
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Post by egon on Nov 6, 2011 14:08:51 GMT -5
In Sweden it's not illegal to give stuff like this away. B) Anyway, really cool stuff. IIRC you use green stuff to make the copies, right? Do you use regular greenstuff or liquid? I'm guessing that the back of copies are more or less flat, or do you use two-part molds? Also, what's the flipper-thingie down and to the left supposed to be? |
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Post by kennyjapan on Nov 6, 2011 14:22:17 GMT -5
whats this stuff called? i could sure do with some of it =) great find ashotninja
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Post by Trooper One-Nine-Seven-Four on Nov 6, 2011 14:36:07 GMT -5
whats this stuff called? i could sure do with some of it =) great find ashotninja I found it here: Instant Mold |
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Post by Gerner on Nov 6, 2011 14:56:16 GMT -5
This looks to good to be true!
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Post by BG. Foster on Nov 6, 2011 15:08:11 GMT -5
i've seen this and have some on my to buy list, i would be looking to mold mini's though and not just parts. have you tried to do whole mini's or just parts so far (the models i am doing are not copyrighted)
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Post by AshotNINJA on Nov 6, 2011 15:09:45 GMT -5
you can make two part molds, but you can do it either two ways... 1 - fully encase the item you want to mold , let it fully set then cut around the item making two halfs of the mold. when you want to mold something, judge how much GS you need and just squish the two halfs together tight... its really hard to do tbh.. 2 make a mold of 1 side of the item, let it set, but dont remove the item, rub some cooking oil over the mold then add the second half on the other exposed side... making two halfs, when it all fully sets remove the item... tip 1... try to judge how much gs you need to make the item, if you use too much you get loads of excess and wasted gs... to little and you dont get a good full mold... tip 2. use a tool to jam the gs into the mold when replicating an item, really work it into the creveses to get the air out. tip 3. when making a mold, put the mold in the freezer for 5 mins, it make it set faster than room temp ... and speeds up the time... this tip is for impatiant people like me.. tip 4... when you replicate an item... leave it overnight and forget about it till the next day.... dont be impatient and try to remove it just after making it... it will mess up every time... plus you got a nice suprise waiting for you the next day... Also, what's the flipper-thingie down and to the left supposed to be? im glad you noticed... might be my next project.. hmmm combat divers  |
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Post by AshotNINJA on Nov 6, 2011 15:14:55 GMT -5
i've seen this and have some on my to buy list, i would be looking to mold mini's though and not just parts. have you tried to do whole mini's or just parts so far (the models i am doing are not copyrighted) ive tryed to do legs and the first attempt was massivly unsucsessful... but ive been using it for a good few weeks now and i think i can do it much better... doing a full 2 part mold with this is really tough though so i recon im gonna waste a nutston of gs practicing it... lucky theres someone on ebay selling 36 inches of knedite for £7 |
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Post by BG. Foster on Nov 6, 2011 15:26:52 GMT -5
might have to invest in some when i get paid. there are people selling this as a bundle with gs on ebay.
i was considering melting dowwn some old plastic mini's and sprues to use instead of gs though
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Post by orcidas on Nov 6, 2011 15:47:02 GMT -5
these molds can't handle any form of hot molding (the molds melt)
so no melted plastics...
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Post by AshotNINJA on Nov 6, 2011 15:58:13 GMT -5
that is true... melted plastic wont work... it says so on the packet
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Post by BG. Foster on Nov 6, 2011 16:19:10 GMT -5
damn them. any idea if any sort of resin could be used?
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Post by AshotNINJA on Nov 6, 2011 16:26:15 GMT -5
two part white resin can be used... it would be very messy but it would defo work... ive got the resin ordered to try it out when it comes... gonna try to do small scale injection molding using the 'instant mold' and with rubber molds when the chemicals come... il let you know
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Post by BG. Foster on Nov 6, 2011 16:36:58 GMT -5
that would be great thanks, i've worked with resin before so would be happy to use it
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Post by egon on Nov 6, 2011 16:58:16 GMT -5
Cool, thanks for the info. I might try this at some point using liquid GS, right now my modelling skills aren't up to it. Please tell us if you try using the liquid stuff.
Cheers!
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Post by 3ff3ct on Nov 7, 2011 4:09:09 GMT -5
i was considering melting dowwn some old plastic mini's and sprues to use instead of gs though What, in a pan on the stove?! ;D Not being funny, this would be highly dangerous as plastic produces some very nasty fumes, and also tends to set on fire a lot. Use resin, it's much safer |
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Post by AshotNINJA on Nov 7, 2011 6:11:50 GMT -5
I can imagine melting down plastics in a wax heating pot would work... like the kind chicks use to heat the wax for doing waxing strips etc... I might try that also, got loads of dead sprues
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Nov 7, 2011 7:45:25 GMT -5
Yeah, on the same track as what 3ff3ct said, make sure you only use it for personal use, even giving them away to someone else would be strictly against the law, but as you keep yourself to yourself, you should be fine. Wait, what? Unless any of these are made in part or whole from GW (or any other company's) sculpts, or in any other way include GW intellectual property (the Imperial Eagle, etc), then he's not breaking any IP laws. As far as I can see, he's demonstrably proven these are 100% his own work (pure GS sculpting), and I see no Imperial Eagles or other indications of GW intellectual property. So long as he doesn't sell them as GW-trademarked products, then he breaks no law and can so as he likes. |
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