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Post by RedsandRoyals on Aug 30, 2008 23:03:25 GMT -5
Hey, I'm new to both the Guard and the forum, and it seems like there's a lot of wisdom floating around here, so...
Has anyone NOT taken indirect fire and used the Basilisk as a Tank Destroyer? I've done it twice, and between luck, surprise, and a house rule for Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA), it's work pretty well. I think it has two things in it's favor
1. It's str 9 gun
2. The fact that, unlike the las cannon, if the gun misses that pie plate has to drop somewhere
It worked pretty well against Predators and Rhinos
Thoughts?
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Post by newcomer on Aug 31, 2008 13:13:28 GMT -5
ive tried it, but it's poor armour almost always gets it blown up by lascannons
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Post by Sen.Kerry on Aug 31, 2008 13:19:35 GMT -5
Yeah. My bassilisk is a great bullet magnet. I plunk it in a corner behind something, and the anti-tank squads completely ignore my demolisher and leman russ.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Aug 31, 2008 13:41:48 GMT -5
Normally, mine is too, but when I told my opponent it didn't have Indirect fire, he ignored it until after I had gutted two of his rhinos. The second time I drove it into a building that had cover on either side and put a screen of Guardsmen in front of it. It killed two predators and a rhino before dying. I guess since they were both big games, it was ignored for a while amid all the chaos
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Post by control on Sept 7, 2008 18:00:30 GMT -5
If it's a bullet magnet oh well, i'd rather have that shot up then a leman russ.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Sept 8, 2008 15:46:49 GMT -5
It all depends on the game I am playing. I usually field between 2 and 9 (Like I said depends on the game). then again I also will field somewhere between 1 and 11 Leman Russ as well.
I find that the best role for my army is a Indirect fire support. By placing them in opposite corners I can continue to use the IF for much longer than most people give credit. Then on occassion I have used the direct fire feature.
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Post by GuardsmanPatch on Sept 14, 2008 7:17:30 GMT -5
I just like the idea of a S9 pie plate that will only scatter up to 9", rather than 12". But it's very difficult finding terrain large enough to hide a bassie completely now. Even if you hide it behind a building, the True LOS rules mean it can still be shot - through the windows! Hey, I'm a guardsman now! Living up to my name!  |
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Post by Count Elakor on Sept 15, 2008 5:02:41 GMT -5
the bassie as a tank hunter is a great idea, just screen it with some conscripts(if i havent misunderstod it gets 4+ cover) then just blast the buts uot of the enemy with it, or in some city figths(those with a long main road from one ege to the other) place it there. scares the hell out of everything.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2008 6:38:43 GMT -5
I've never used a basilisk before like that...I've only ever stuck them in the back and pummeled my enemy with the indirect fire stat, I think i will try this new way (as a tank buster).
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Sept 15, 2008 22:11:22 GMT -5
Well, I'v tried it again, and it still works wonders against light and medium vehicles. That said, it died on turn 3. I'v come to the conclusion that it makes a good, cheap tank destroyer if you can't fit that Russ in because of the cost. Keep in mind, it WILL die though (as newcomer pointed out, it's armour is terrible)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2008 23:11:15 GMT -5
I have been really considering this approach lately. With TLOS this idea only seems more likely to start occuring, atleast until people build up their turn to be terrain again.
Plus, the cool factor of having it drive around a corner and stop to lower its gun at a nice squad of charging Orks is a really cool picture that comes to mind...
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Post by GuardsmanPatch on Sept 17, 2008 0:58:27 GMT -5
Spearhead deployment helps a great deal- you can put it so far back from the enemy heavy weapons, only the Tau's Rail cannons can reach!
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Post by GuardsmanPatch on Sept 17, 2008 1:00:43 GMT -5
I think it has two things in it's favor 1. It's str 9 gun 2. The fact that, unlike the las cannon, if the gun misses that pie plate has to drop somewhere I'd say 3. It's also an ordinance weapon, so you roll 2 dice for armour Penetration, picking the highest. It would work nicely against Monoliths! |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Sept 17, 2008 8:54:33 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing that out patch. Up until now, I'd been forced to use demolishers and massed lascannons (expensive!) against monoliths. Now that you remind me of the long range, high strength and ordanance rules of the 'Lisk, I must say that it tempts me inordinately to purchase one.
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Post by genilyenovick on Sept 17, 2008 10:52:28 GMT -5
Basies are awsome (esspecially against land raiders and monoliths) but ther are also good for their ability to pin your opponent. Because of the 5th ed ordinance rules its worth it to always try and get a indirect shot at your target. If you see enemy assault troops heading for your squishy line put an earth shaker up the pipe. They probably have armor 3 or less and you are pretty much garenteed a 2+ to wound with your strength 9 earthshaker. Basies also provide a new less grandios role in 5th ed. They are cheep and since tanks are so vunerable to assault now you don't loose to many points if they get in with melta bombs, and it can still deliver its punishment any where on the fiels just like the LRBT but with greater range and from cover.
All in all I believe that the basilisk is the best tank option for gaurd in 5th ed right know and I'm planing on getting a second one to balance out the table.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2008 15:11:54 GMT -5
Vanquisher is much better, according to the rules I have (the very first imperial armour before the new versions of them) its a small blast template(2d6-BS when hitting in new rules) when its using armour piecing shells, which is 2d6 to penetrate, at strength 8, that means it CAN move and fire unlike basilisk, and has very strong armour, its much more survivable and is a better tank killer. It might be slightly more expensive but its 10 times better.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Sept 17, 2008 16:32:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I've been thinking about getting a Vanquisher, mostly because they simply look awesome. The price, and the fact it'll probably take a month to get here, are issues though. Does anybody know what the Conversion kit is? Is it a full turret, or just the barrel and some extra parts? right now I'm happy with my Bassie plinking tanks from across the board, but I'll want something more suitable in the future...
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Post by newcomer on Sept 17, 2008 17:43:26 GMT -5
the vanquisher isnt coming. it may be a part of our codex like our last one, but we will have to convert it
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Post by GuardsmanPatch on Sept 18, 2008 1:55:59 GMT -5
All in all I believe that the basilisk is the best tank option for gaurd in 5th ed right know and I'm planing on getting a second one to balance out the table. That's a hell of an image... "Hey, the table's tipping, that tank is too heavy for that side of the table..." "Hmmm, better get another one.... ;D<ting!>" |
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Post by Basaliskian on Sept 30, 2008 15:50:00 GMT -5
if your basalisk is in an armoured company using the white dwarf list you can give it armour piercing rounds like the vanquishers got. you might even be able to fire the ap rounds, dont quote me on that though, its probably just wishfull thinking.
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Post by Basaliskian on Sept 30, 2008 15:52:12 GMT -5
em you might be able to fire them indirectly i ment say on the last bit. sorry, i forgot a couple of the words.
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Post by ssgtdude (M.I.A) on Sept 30, 2008 15:54:50 GMT -5
Vanquisher is much better, according to the rules I have (the very first imperial armour before the new versions of them) its a small blast template(2d6-BS when hitting in new rules) when its using armour piecing shells, which is 2d6 to penetrate, at strength 8, that means it CAN move and fire unlike basilisk, and has very strong armour, its much more survivable and is a better tank killer. It might be slightly more expensive but its 10 times better. Mr. Socks read teh section on Barrage fire again. There is a sentence that specifically states that if firing directly that there is no minimum range and you can only fire directly after moving. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 7:57:09 GMT -5
Vanquisher is much better, according to the rules I have (the very first imperial armour before the new versions of them) its a small blast template(2d6-BS when hitting in new rules) when its using armour piecing shells, which is 2d6 to penetrate, at strength 8, that means it CAN move and fire unlike basilisk, and has very strong armour, its much more survivable and is a better tank killer. It might be slightly more expensive but its 10 times better. It doesn't use a small blast, it uses ordinance when not using the anti-tank round. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 7:58:57 GMT -5
the vanquisher isnt coming. it may be a part of our codex like our last one, but we will have to convert it Buy it online at forgeworld, they sell the kits there, but converting is 90% cheaper, just use pipes, pens, etc. That's what i did. |
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Oct 13, 2008 10:52:07 GMT -5
The nicest way to make a vanquisher is tosaw of the barrel of a standard LR (thus creating your own demolisher cannon), saw off the muzzle brake of the other gun, glue the first barrel on to the first and stick the first (removed) muzzle brake back on to the second muzzle break, and merge it in with some Greenstuff.
But what I'm thinking for apocalypse battles.... LEMAN RUSS DRAGON!
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