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Post by Julian Sharps on Apr 28, 2009 14:29:15 GMT -5
Unless they can make a combat engine as good as Oni's, I'm not really interested. I liked how we could get a look at what 40K looks like on the ground, so to speak (also, marines are noticeably taller than Guard), but if the bolter is as ineffectual as it seems in the video, I'll definitely be spending my time playing better games, since it seems like they're trying too hard to get players to get into close combat. Oni had a beautiful balance between gunplay and martial arts that required strategy at times (only one weapon at a time, and while not necessarily as powerful as your fists, guns had their place in the game). I would think that a 40K video/computer game would work best as:
• a third-person shooter, much like Star Wars Battlefront or Battlefield 1942 • an RTS that's actually good • a tactical shooter like Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 15:29:14 GMT -5
they should make a 40k game where you play as guard, but its in the same format and style of play as COD, that would be pretty sweet
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 28, 2009 15:45:32 GMT -5
I didn't use guns that much in Oni. After a while all but the mercury bow stopped being effective, and even then, it stopped killing stuff outright.
I think that a game for 40K should be like GoW, with a bit of Ninja Gaiden 2 swordplay dismemberment for the close combat.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Apr 28, 2009 15:58:44 GMT -5
Really? I use the plasma rifle all the time, and the mercury bow when I can get it.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 28, 2009 16:19:25 GMT -5
I find that running up and sliding to knock enemies down then unloading the black adder while they're flat, is effective. The accelerating shots on the plasma make sniping too hard; I use the equalizer at range until I get the bow. That and the SBG
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Post by amulus on Apr 28, 2009 18:00:17 GMT -5
well, the only thing i usually ask myself when they come out with a new warhammer game is how much will it will suck, and what will they do wrong..... although dawn of war 2 was ok, despite the enitre lack af a good god damn story.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 28, 2009 19:52:21 GMT -5
Well I think DOW: DC I a good RTS, fluff aside; they did need to balance the races for a pc rts, so I'm willing to let some things slide. The story... who plays an rts for the story? If you want a story play an rpg. Final Fantasy 2 ftw! I'm old-school...
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Post by amulus on Apr 28, 2009 22:25:28 GMT -5
oh i know, ff7 FTW. But i mean, they designed 4 races for the game (dow 2), with a story for one, although that being said its not their fault, its a trend in microsoft owned games to ignore single player, in favour of online play......which you have to pay for.....AFTER a 60$ game.
I think that DOW was the high mark of their games, with the low mark being fire warrior. What gets me about them, is that warhammer fantasy and 40k are about epic armies fighting with millions of men, yet their games always seem very very small scale, like mark of chaos. I would love love love a 40k or fantasy game, based on the total war engine.
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Post by wertymk on Apr 29, 2009 7:42:16 GMT -5
The only type of 40k fps I am willing to accept is an mmofps like Planetside. I saw that video a while back and it was just ridiculous. The guy used the bolter as a flashlight. Seriously, wtf.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 29, 2009 8:33:06 GMT -5
If they want to force hth, then they should just give you a limited amount of ammo for the whole game... 3 spare magazines and that's it. Force some economical thinking instead of "hose it 'till it's dead, and then some."
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Post by nicholasakira on Apr 29, 2009 10:57:51 GMT -5
I think that DOW was the high mark of their games, with the low mark being fire warrior. Ah fire warrior. Fire warrior was a bad dream. Just a bad dream. It never happened.
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Post by commissargaunt on Apr 29, 2009 11:03:59 GMT -5
yeah... fire warrior WAS pretty awful. A real disappointment that one
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 29, 2009 20:08:02 GMT -5
Never played it. Don't want to play it. I'll I need to know is that if I did play it, and was a fish-head, I'd lose my place at the Emperor's side...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2009 20:11:19 GMT -5
I'm sure that everyone can agree, that even the emperor lost sleep after Fire warrior.
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on Apr 29, 2009 22:46:11 GMT -5
Yep, that game sucked the big one. Storm Troopers carry autoguns lol (which are better than a pulse rifle? ) ...and can kill valkyries!? Oh, and apparently Tau Cruiser > Emperor Class Battleship, including boarding. The bolter felt pretty kick ass though. It was really loud, kicked like hell, and fired mini rockets which turned enemies into gibs.
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Post by The Refined Gentleman (M.I.A) on Apr 30, 2009 12:01:55 GMT -5
Yeah, the bolter was the only realistic thing in the game. YOU'RE TELLING ME A SINGLE FIREWARRIOR TAKE ON SEVERAL SMURFS!!!?
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Post by commissargaunt on Apr 30, 2009 16:52:04 GMT -5
indeed that was what got to me 1 Fire warrior > THE WHOLE GODDAMN IMPERIUM's arsenal. Sometimes I just wanted that poorly rendered warlord titan to activate :/
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Post by amulus on May 1, 2009 16:49:43 GMT -5
it just seems to me that gamesworkshop will and its name and label on any old piece of crap and then release it to early and wonder why it gets terrible reviews. It just makes me wonder if ANYONE plays these games before they release them.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on May 1, 2009 17:10:45 GMT -5
If the titan had activated, an NPC broadside suit would've taken it down...
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Post by nicholasakira on May 1, 2009 18:34:16 GMT -5
So with the generally agreed failure of the Fire Warrior nightmare, I'm thinking a SMurf game of a similar premise would have a lot of wounds to heal.
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Post by SirAndrewD on May 1, 2009 18:59:31 GMT -5
Blah.
I remember the days when Warhammer 40k games were strategy games, not third person action extravaganzas. I know the time in which a good, measured turn based game have passed us by, but I still long for a 40k game like Space Hulk, Chaos Gate, or Final Liberation and less like Firewarrior, Dawn of War II and this new warp spawned heresy. If they want to do a FPS or TPS, well, fine. At least build it around a system like Operation Flashpoint, where there's at least some company/squad based considerations involved.
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Post by John_Galt (M.I.A) on May 1, 2009 19:15:11 GMT -5
I wanna see a 40k game use Silent Storm's engine (who stole it from Soldiers at War but that's supoosed to be a secret )
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2009 10:59:17 GMT -5
Truthfully i think that the best formate for this game would be like the Rainbow six games. Squad based action where team work and coardination are key to surviving . Jumping from cover to cover trying to get into the best position to kill of another dug in group.. Hell maybe even skip the damn smurfs and make it gaurdsmen or sisters
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Post by Julian Sharps on May 3, 2009 12:06:05 GMT -5
Go for Ghost Recon if you're looking for that sort of format. The AI in R6 is horrific. At least in GR the enemy can't hear you sneaking through three walls across a building, and your allies don't run into a room one at a time to get killed each time by an enemy standing right in front of the door or just sit there with an enemy in their sights and watch him go on his merry way.
I still think that maybe the best format for a 40K-based game would be the Battlefield/Star Wars Battlefront system. It has an option for randomly generated campaigns, multiple similar-but-distinct sides and it includes vehicles that, while tough, are by no means indestructible. It comes standard with objective-based scenarios, plus (to me, at least) it has that gritty feeling of just being another trooper (although Battlefront 2 had playable heroes, as well).
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Post by Makarova (M.I.A) on May 3, 2009 13:12:29 GMT -5
I agree with juliansharps, wish the Battlefield 40K project would finish some day! (mod for BF2)
Either Battlefield/Battlefront, or a modified Total War engine. I was certain DoW 2 would be on the Apocalypse scale to coincide with the board game, was utterly dissapointed with that game. =/
Edit: Almost forgot to comment on the new game. Looks... awful. Like many others have already pointed out.
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