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Post by 9th Company on Jan 24, 2009 17:00:46 GMT -5
Hi all,
Was talking with GW staff the other day, and while they are keeping quiet about what is going to be released, they did tell me not to buy Command Squads, Ratlings, Storm Troopers and Psykers. I assume it is because new models will be released, I'm not sure if any of this is new but thought I'd share it.
Never thought I'd live to see the day GW staff would tell me not to buy something.
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Post by Sen.Kerry on Jan 24, 2009 18:32:17 GMT -5
The funny thing is that most people don't buy psykers or ratlings in the first place.
And I just went and picked up a stormie squad for nostalgias sake.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 24, 2009 19:59:00 GMT -5
Yeah, we're getting new versions of all of those in plastic, and we'll be seeing all plastic Hellhounds, and possibly Demolishers, as well. Heck, even the Sentinels and the basic shock trooper sprues are being redone, but that's still months away.
Reds
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Post by norge187 on Jan 24, 2009 21:50:33 GMT -5
Wow thats kinda crazy but then again it may serve a greater point. Save that money man...save all that you can. I'm trying to put aside 30 bucks every two weeks.
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Post by Sen.Kerry on Jan 24, 2009 22:38:05 GMT -5
If I had a job I would be saving like crazy... But, having lost my last 2 due to going out of buisness, and the fact that the 16-24 year old hiring being at its lowest in 60 years...
Oh well, take it as it comes eh?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 0:13:21 GMT -5
I hear it man last 3 months havent been good to me either 2 deaths in the imediate family and got laid off before xmas..moneys tight and times arnt looking too good but Keep the head up push through and obliterate any who faces me on the field Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 2:39:56 GMT -5
Wow. Games Workshop and The Imperial uard Message Board; letting people vent their unemployment woes since however-long-it's-been!
Seriousl, that sucks guys. I hope you can find some new work soon. It's a jungle out there, but troops and tanks don't buy themselves. It's good you've got G.W. to keep yourselves occupied for the meantime though.
I'm glad someone put this post up. It's actually something I had been wondering. I just got into guard, and have brought two Cadian boxsets. Now I'm wondering, is it worth buying anything else, or will there be a big 'ol army boxset coming out when the new guard are released? I believe that, for big releases, G.W. has previosuly released an army boxset with, possibly, unique modes that won't be released seperately for months (Tau stealth suits), or with the codex before it's seperate release date (New space marines, I think) Any news on G.W.'s potential for this kind of thing with out beloved Guard?
Also, let's see:
Plastic Ogryns (preferably a five model sprue w/accessories)
Mean-ass ratlings as opposed to oddly enlongated face comedy snipers who don't look like they mean business at all (There's still time to make them squat refugees!)
Catachans with some rudimetary armour (How come armoured cadians have the same AV as those bare-chested village people? Is Cadian armour made out of chipbard?)
Heavy weapons teams who look like they could actually move (The static fire-position stance they have now is ok, even if it gives them a big foot-print with that base. But it always bothered me that the guns just look too big to move. They need carry handles and streamlined construction, like S.M. scout heavy bolters.)
Change to the rough riders. I've mentioned my opinions on the conversion thread, but basically, ancient looking mongolians riding weedy horses just don't cut it. Make 'em alien steeds, or something like the forge-world DKoK death riders. It's war! The models should look mean, tough and ready to fight, not like they're taking part in he mock-jousting event of some futuristic fancy-dress equestrian tournament, followed by light refreshments and the comedy stylings of 'Abby' the angry clown.
Do I think about these kinds of things too much, or are people with me.
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Post by RedsandRoyals on Jan 25, 2009 6:07:20 GMT -5
Catachans with some rudimentary armour (How come armoured cadians have the same AV as those bare-chested village people? Is Cadian armour made out of chipbard?) Actually, if you look at the Jungle Fighters Doctrine, Catachans have a 6+ save, so it's worse than the Cadians'. But you're right. Most of our fast attack and elite choices have poor models, metal models, or both. The Cadians need to be repackaged so that A) they have hands like Catachans, and B) they either give us a single squad or a full troop choice. The current rumor is that you get bits of a single squad (with an HW option) in the new packaging, for $22.00. I think that's a bit much for 10 Guardsmen, but I don't know exactly what's in the box. But back to the metal elites.... Most people who you see using Rough Riders convert their own, and there are probably more WFB Ogres being used as Ogryns than the actual Ogryn model. I mean, to use any of these units on the table, you need to spend a lot of money, and points, AND a precious, precious doctrine point, and you end up with a mediocre unit that looks like the result of a wild night of drunken metallurgy. I would rather buy a tank. Reds |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 6:39:06 GMT -5
My Mistake about the Catachan's AV. oops!
Glad peeps agree about the impractical models we have. It's a big reason for the guard to be re-released. Not only do the rules need to be brought up-to-date, the sometimes crapy and costly models need to be re-done. I dunno why anyone though expensive-as-hell Ogryns was gonna work for us Guard players anyway. Silly.
Ah, another thing I needed to add. The standard bearer article in the current White Dwarf sees J.J. explaining how G.W. made the decision to strive to ensure congruence between models and rules; that models should serve as a tool to represent the forces described in the codex. It implies that if the player of a force wants to create a unit or individual that's present in the codex, they should be able to do it through the standard model line. Why isn't that the case with The Guard?
Shotguns, demo charges, veteran conversions and the like need to be available to any Guard players. Right now, the option available is to go to forgeworld and get converting like a pro. Yeah, most of us can do that, but it can be expensive and isolates people who aren't as confident with modelling, or just don't want the hassle. And why can't they just have the models made available from the off? seems like an oversight that they have the perfect opportunity to rectify.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 19:38:00 GMT -5
OK THATS IT!! I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE!
How many people saw Apoc come out. Does any single one of those people remember they brought out some models.
These included:
the baneblade (duh)
some Marine Masters
an Eldar Autarch on a jetbike
Big mek ork
necron lord
AND THEN: IMPERIAL GUARD COMMISSARS AND IMPERIAL OGRYNS!!!!
We will not be getting new Ogryns (or Commissars for that matter) and if anyone says 'We need plastic Ogryn' they need to shut up. I know these came out late '07 but its still to early for them to change them. Personally I have a unit of them and they look great and play just as well. I am not defending them, I am asking everyone to stop going on about getting new ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 20:22:30 GMT -5
The way I see/hear it is 20 cadians in a box(currently) GW plans to release 10 cadians in a box for the same price around may...Keep fighting the good fight, all!
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Post by Sen.Kerry on Jan 25, 2009 22:08:04 GMT -5
I was thinking of that as well timy. I couldn't possibly see how GW would want to waste money re-doing things that have such small purchase rates, atleast for the ogryns.
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 26, 2009 0:39:26 GMT -5
A drop from 20 to ten cadians....
I wouldn't object so much if GW kept stocking the 20-man boxedsets. Some of us have armies to bulk out.
But I really can't see GW messing with what they've got. They get great profits on the heavy weapons, even if there are nine in a box, and even with twenty guardsmen we still have to buy a command squad. So no, I really can't see GW doing this. It would represent such an increase in the overall cost of the Guard that thye would lose more money in lost customers than they would get back from the remaining ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2009 2:27:16 GMT -5
As usual, Rolling Thunder to the rescue with a medi-pack of LOGICK.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2009 3:31:35 GMT -5
"...if anyone says 'We need plastic Ogryn' they need to shut up."
Please tone down the attitude. I don't think this is the kinda place where people are rude to each other and tell each another to shut up for voicing an opinion, so don't do it.
Anyway, to a question I wanted to ask. Is it really the case that G.W. is all about screwing peeps out of money? I haven't been with the hobby right from the start, and there is a certain misty-eyed nostalgia about the way things were. Was it really so different? Did the company really have a passion for the hobby and affection for the players that was so different? And is it now really just about the cash, with so few senior members who actually care about making the hobby as good as it can be for the players?
These aren't rhetorical questions, or sarcasm, I was just wondering if things were genuinley that different in the 'good-ol days', and if there is really a strong case to be stictly cynical about G.W. and their motivations today.
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Graenis on Jan 26, 2009 7:09:40 GMT -5
I heard that they wont be doing the large boxes any more like they used to do for fantasy (with the unique general etc) because not enough people bought them.)
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Post by Rolling Thunder on Jan 26, 2009 7:14:36 GMT -5
I don't think this is the kinda place where people are rude to each other and tell each another to shut up for voicing an opinion, so don't do it. My god sir, you've got it in one! Please accept my sincerest congratulations in regards to the maturity and wisdom of your actions. E-kudos to you. |
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on Jan 26, 2009 11:32:15 GMT -5
We will not be getting new Ogryns (or Commissars for that matter) and if anyone says 'We need plastic Ogryn' they need to shut up. I know these came out late '07 but its still to early for them to change them. Personally I have a unit of them and they look great and play just as well. I am not defending them, I am asking everyone to stop going on about getting new ones. why? does it hurt you in some personal and unforeseen way? how about this, I hope they remove Ogryns form the new codex because they all look like they have downs syndrome and I find that to be incredibly offensive to the retarded. I DEMAND YOU TO AGREE WITH ME! also- Commissars should be able to duel wield meltaguns and I want an updrade that'll turn My Leman Russ into a fast moving skimmer. |
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Post by Sen.Kerry on Jan 26, 2009 15:56:36 GMT -5
The Ogryns are 16 bucks per one. No one runs a 3 ogryn squad Vs. An entire stormy squad. I don't really see games workshop deciding they want to change the model due to the fact that:
1. One can only assume they barely make any money off of those models. People just buy the ogres for fantasy.
2. Those models were redone recently. I can't imagine them redoing the ogryns because no one buys them.
I seem to be in quite the redundant mood today.
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Post by antin3 on Feb 6, 2009 10:02:41 GMT -5
I am pretty sure from what I have ben reading that the 10 man Cadian squads are what GW is going with. Look at Orks, they went to 10 Ork boxes.
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Post by aeonian on Feb 6, 2009 10:34:06 GMT -5
Yeah that never made sense to me...orks are a horde army if I ever saw one, and yet they went from 16 to a box to 10 to a box - same as marines but at a lower price. Still you're paying a lot of money to get all you're massive mobs of 'skins, and it thus makes it harder to build and raise a horde army in 40k.
Guard going down to 10 men per box would be a terrible thing. It will get expensive, it will get confusing, it will get tedious, and people will either stop playing, or the situation that is currently happening will intensify - new players will not even think twice about starting Imperial Guard.
I will never stop playing Imperial Guard, but damn it's probably gonna get difficult pretty soon here. The rules might be a lot better, but building the army...it's gonna burn a hole in my wallet, a bigger one that is!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 11:55:58 GMT -5
I wonder if anybody has realized yet that they are just raising their prices. They raised the prices on the metal models cause they come in sets of 1 or 2, but with plastic they can raise the price while not actually "raising" it. If you go from $35 for 20 over to $22 for 10... that becomes $44 for 20, which is a price increase if i've ever seen one.
I don't like the ogryn's either, and either they change their models and sell some or they should really just drop the model range, cause I don't think anybody really buys the 40k ones.
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Post by aeonian on Feb 6, 2009 13:48:45 GMT -5
That's my point exactly. As an example, you can reduce the amount of troops by 1/2, but then when you don't reduce the price by 1/2, maybe only 1/4, then buying 2 boxes, which gives you same amount of soldiers as the original, now costs around 4/3 the price. Rediculous!
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Post by xorl on Feb 6, 2009 14:08:57 GMT -5
right. i dont think theres a disagreement with the fact that prices are going up. but its that way with everything, isnt it? and this never was a cheap hobby, thats why me and my friends had to wait till we had jobs to begin. idk. it really doesnt shock me at all.
i just hope they dont stop having those happy little boxes that save one about $40 haha.
i would die if it werent for battleforces.
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Post by aeonian on Feb 7, 2009 12:04:59 GMT -5
Out battle force doesn't save us all that much, actually... $35+$40+$35=$110 Battleforce=$90  |
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