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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 24, 2009 23:59:38 GMT -5
Geoge Lucas would be better than Michael Bay. *shudder*
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Post by Inquisitor Lord Graenis on Apr 25, 2009 3:59:48 GMT -5
so we need peter jackson cgi
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Post by pupyut on Apr 25, 2009 7:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 9:54:24 GMT -5
Hmmmm. The costumes and style in general don't translate too well to film. Yeah, it's crazily imaginative sci-fi, not exactly documentary style reality, but the armour doesn't look like it'd work or be in any way practical. It looks like over-powered American football armour. It'd have to be changed quite a bit to look good in live action. Otherwise it'd look like Chronicals of Riddik. Anyone seen that? Everything from the costumes to the sets are horribly over-designed.
And yeah, it's got an info-dump at the start that again illustrates exactly why they can't be used. Especially since the narrator, who is none less than Dame Judi Dench, doesn't seem to even know what's going on. "The Necromungas are half Human Half...something else." That doesn't sound mysterious, it sounds like even the writer had no idea what he was talking about! I would have a real bad feeling about a 40k movie. Chronicals of Riddik or Mutant Chronicles (Shudder) stand in my mind as horrible portents of what might be if it were made. Don't mean to sound like a downer, but that's just my gut feeling. A 40k film sounds like an awesome idea at first, but trying to picture something that isn't on one hand too 'shallow' for fans but too obtuse for new comers on the other...I can't do it.
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 25, 2009 10:49:36 GMT -5
Mmm. Ridthingy wasn't too bad. You don't watch a movie like that for the plot, you watch it to see Vin Deisel kick some ass.
That's why it'd have to be about the guard. Or at least the first one, a second could bring in the Inquisition. But for any 40K movie, marines would be a no-no.
Thinking hard about this, I've decided that a full-length feature isn't as good an idea as maybe a 6 ep. mini-series. What does the rest of the forum think about that?
Edit: Pfff, haha: Ridthingy! Awesome. Thank you, auto-censor...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 16:27:53 GMT -5
Yeah, a mini series is perhaps the only thing that'd really work. Dune couldn't be crammed into a movie, but the TV mini series produced by The Sci Fi channel was a much, much better representation.
The Space Marines would be a pain for more reasons than just the backstory and explaining what they are. They are super-human. They would have to fight, move, act and look utterly different from a Human, yet they're being played by Humans, obviously. They'd have to be faster and more agile than a ninja. While wearing that bulky, heavy Power armour. And not let it look like a cheesy, CG enhanced kung-fu movie (On a side note, that's why the Wierding way is represented as a mastery of sonic weaponry in David LYnches Dune movie. He said it'd just look like a naff golden harvest flick mixed with Laurence of Arabia otherwise, and while a lot of the decisions in the film were poor, he had a point in that instance. It applies to a 40k film as well.)
And yeah Ridik (That's how it's got to be spelt!) wasn't utterly awful; not 'Batman and Robin' awful. But, like Lynch's Dune, it's a good example of a movie with too many ideas, that's over-designed, and honestly a bit of a mess. Like a 40k movie would be if they tried to put in probably even a quarter of what could be included....
FInally, I think the best shot at getting a movie made would be The first Gaunt's Ghosts book. It has a compelling plot, with a McGuffin that pays off, it's pretty contained but gives a flavour of the universe at large, and has interesting characters. I could see that working ok, and it'd keep the fan-boys happy 'cos it's Gaunt.
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Post by Willem on Apr 25, 2009 20:44:59 GMT -5
the costumes in that video were too small. mareans arnt that skiney
and i mantane starship troopers, it has the best CGI meshing with real life blood and gore i have ever sean.
and i agrea Spirets Within was lame, im not a final fantesey fan i just saw it at a frends house. I have sean comirshels for ridick and it looks amasing
or it could be in the GI Joe style i want to sea a SMurf say AND NOW WE KNOW AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATEL
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Post by ElegaicRequiem on Apr 25, 2009 20:54:14 GMT -5
Spirits Within was the 'breakthrough' for full cgi. It's not going to be the best (I like it more than Beowulf, though). Starship Troopers actually used a lot of practical effects, and maintaining the proper balance is something not many producers/ directors have figured out yet. The 80's cartoon idea was a joke, but if you really wanted marines running around... If GW okay-ed the idea (which would be the first one they would, Mat Ward is lobbying right now), you would get: Calgar = Optimus Prime and Abbadon = Megatron. While imagining this through Transformers makes it sound amazing, I still couldn't get into it. Although, Abbadon does sound cooler now, for some reason... (And yes, I am one of those people who paid ~$200 for a used toy -- Megatron's too cool, although the original Japanese one was actually a pellet gun ) Don't worry, I didn't kill Prime by comparing him to Calgar, because he'll just come back again! ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 17:42:44 GMT -5
Gentlemen, I have had an epiphany:
Don Bluth creates a 2D animated 40K movie.
Your mind has just been blown. Carry on.
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Post by jon on May 30, 2009 20:26:07 GMT -5
haha I can see the plot unfolding "Relay to Command Post, do you read, we have two stranded Space Marines inside the cit.... wait, nvm they exterminated the city" But serously, a remake of "Storm of Iron" would be easy, and epic! it has everything!
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Post by The Refined Gentleman (M.I.A) on May 31, 2009 1:14:11 GMT -5
If my film making ambitions are fullfilled i can make a war film about the guard! The true hero's of the imperium!
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Post by commissargaunt on May 31, 2009 6:33:39 GMT -5
A 40k film would be an INSANELY bad move simply because of funding. It has to be paid for by someone and that someone wold be either:
A. GW: sure they know the universe better than anyone else and would give us the best Fluff accurate experience BUT they are still a relatively small company with nowhere near as much money as is needed to make an epic LOTR-esque film. Also if it totally flopped then it could all but close them down.
B. A big production company: These guys would have the money and influence to get the film made but they would want a serious return on their investment so the film may suffer from being less fluff accurate and more about the action.
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Post by Ogryn Crazy! on May 31, 2009 6:46:20 GMT -5
A 40K film in the style of Sin City/300 would be cool, perhaps based around an Inquisitor/Gang going about his/their buisness in a Hive City?
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Post by mrman on May 31, 2009 12:28:01 GMT -5
That just might work, but I don't think that would be the first thing to come to mind when you say "40k".
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on May 31, 2009 12:56:44 GMT -5
Gentlemen, I have had an epiphany: Don Bluth creates a 2D animated 40K movie. Your mind has just been blown. Carry on. Yes, or Ralph Bakshi. One hundred percent rotoscoped. ... (damnit I miss 2d animation...) a cgi DOW2 intro-fest would probably be pretty cool I'd watch it.
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Post by metcalfedan on May 31, 2009 13:08:47 GMT -5
In the terms of story i'd have to say: based on either 15 Hours (the guardsman dies at the end so it's like a tragedy) or Titanicus (imagine the CGI titan battles!!!)
As for animation - has anyone seen the 2007 film Beowulf? that had pretty good CGI in it...
EDIT: just noticed: WOOHOO I MADE CAPTAIN!!!
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Post by Ymmot (M.I.A) on May 31, 2009 13:21:36 GMT -5
As for animation - has anyone seen the 2007 film Beowulf? that had pretty good CGI in it... EDIT: just noticed: WOOHOO I MADE CAPTAIN!!! amazing animation not so much everything else(I would have much perfered a straight adaptation.) congratulations captain! *salutes*
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Post by Lord General Armstrong on Jun 1, 2009 0:49:40 GMT -5
I think it would be like the star wars trilligy. Like the fall of the republic. But instead the great crusade and just before the emporer conquers the universe. Horus goes evil. Bababa. And the final movie the emporer gets put on the golden Thrown
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Post by The Refined Gentleman (M.I.A) on Jun 1, 2009 1:11:42 GMT -5
Wow, never thought of it that way.
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Post by Julian Sharps on Jun 1, 2009 12:11:21 GMT -5
That might actually work.
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Post by druchi on Jun 1, 2009 12:25:36 GMT -5
I dont think a 40k movie should ever happen for the sheer fact deep down in our hearts we all know it would suck no matter who made it.
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Post by verminard on Jun 3, 2009 11:13:57 GMT -5
I think it would work if you cut and paste the Connan movie and adapted it to the future. Everyone wants to see a bad ass space marine who can rip someone apart with his bare hands, as much as I love the IG, lets be honest with ourselves 40k isn't 40k without the marines and that's what the fans love.
Have the story start off narrated like in Connan when the old man talks about his lord, except maybe make it about the common mans knowledge about the marines and the emperor (rather short honestly, they don't promote learning very much) Ending the narration with either "But in the grim darkness of the future there can be only war" or "But there are many secrets hiding in the grim darkness of the future, this is the story of one of them"
The story should follow a marine, who has a sense of idealism that gets tested by other servants of the Emperor. Showing all the backstabbing and treachery present in our fantasy world. All underneath the veil of a war that our marine is involved in, saving the imperium but also testing his resolve and making him question if what he is doing is right, even if the ends justify the means.
We could never properly explain the whole universe in a movie, but we need to explain what is necessary to know, then to let the audience experience the universe as the story unfolds. May take a while, but if you bait the plot right then you will have them coming back for more.
Star Wars, Star Treck, Connan, LOTR, Dune, all of theses had similar problems with more back plot than you can explain in a 2 hours stint, so they just made the story compelling so people would explore further.
Dungeons and Dragons (the movie) and others did the opposite, had a terrible plot but tried to cater to the fanboy and it failed.
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Post by SirAndrewD on Jun 3, 2009 11:38:48 GMT -5
I dont think a 40k movie should ever happen for the sheer fact deep down in our hearts we all know it would suck no matter who made it. Two words... Uwe Boll.
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Post by MarkOfTruth on Jun 3, 2009 11:55:46 GMT -5
What about a movie that centers around the War for Armageddon? That way you have a specific location, you don't need to explain too much backstory (the Imperium of Man vs. Orks- simple), you have multiple factions, and a badass character that could be thrown in (Yarrick).
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Post by Mabus on Jun 10, 2009 15:03:56 GMT -5
There is no way a 40K film is in the pipeline.
Have you seen how much weta get paid? Probably more than GW is worth.
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